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#1 John Bonnes

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:30 AM

It appears the Twins are looking hard at Dempster, and it appears he's pushing interested teams for a 3-year deal. That might be all that it takes to nab the 35-year-old who has been a dependable horse for the last five years.

I don't know if the Twins could get him at 3/39, but I have to think they have a shot at 3/42. Would you do it? His baseball reference page is here:

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:32 AM

Absolutely not. Dempster is a #4 at best in the AL and he is getting old. If you want a guy who can give you 200+ IP of mediocre (4.50ERA) pitching, why not just sign Pavano to a minimum deal?

I would be ok with a 1 year deal for Dempster, but anything more then that? Pass.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:53 AM

Yuck.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:56 AM

I'd rather live with the ultimate realities that 2013 will be bringing, focus on 2014 and beyond and not get locked into a 35 year old pitcher like Dempster for 3 years. About the only plus would be him somehow pitching well enough to flip him for a prospect to a contending team at the deadline in 2014. Don't see that happening.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:15 AM

Yikes. A two year deal is about as far as I would go. It appears he did pitch better on the road last year, and with more strikeouts, but a three year deal for an aging pitcher is pushing the limits I would say.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:30 AM

Nope. Too many dollars for the projected return. I would rather see Minor League offers on guys than a 3 year contract here.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:34 AM

Nope! with a team rebuilding he's old and a soft tosser don't want or need him

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:42 AM

Saw a tweet that Tigers offered Sanchez 4/48 - would you rather try to beat that?

edit : Now Jason Beck says 4/48 not accurate - disregard

Edited by TwinsFanInPhilly, 03 December 2012 - 11:01 AM.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:43 AM

Not my first choice...for less money, maybe, but I do not think that is what you are asking.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:52 AM

Is it just me, or is anyone else amused at how much consternation there is over the Twins so far doing nothing to address next year's pitching staff, and yet there's constant derision over almost every potential contract being thrown out as a possibility. Just to lump myself amongst the people I'm chiding, 3 years for a 35 year old pitcher seems like a bad idea to me, as well.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:02 AM

Saw a tweet that Tigers offered Sanchez 4/48 - would you rather try to beat that?


Uhh, yes, yes I would. Sanchez is 7 years younger and a significantly better pitcher. I would gladly give him 4/50-52 then 3/42 for Dempster. I would do as high as 5/60-62 for sanchez.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:20 AM

Saw a tweet that Tigers offered Sanchez 4/48 - would you rather try to beat that?


Uhh, yes, yes I would. Sanchez is 7 years younger and a significantly better pitcher. I would gladly give him 4/50-52 then 3/42 for Dempster. I would do as high as 5/60-62 for sanchez.


Your 5/62 would not even get you a phone call back. This guy is going to get 6 years I would bet money on it. This is the problem with signing top-tier free agents. It just doesn't work. You have to build through your farm system and trades. There is no way any of these guys are worth this amount of money. Dempster for 3 years...at age 35, no chance. Forget it. We need to keep looking for the bargains. We may suck next year, but I'd rather suck with a low payroll than suck a little less with a high payroll. Use that money to resign our guys when they turn into to studs: for example a guy like Meyer is a Boras client. Save that money and try to sign him early for long term (which is probably not going to happen because Boras is the worst thing in baseball).

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:26 AM

Is it just me, or is anyone else amused at how much consternation there is over the Twins so far doing nothing to address next year's pitching staff, and yet there's constant derision over almost every potential contract being thrown out as a possibility. Just to lump myself amongst the people I'm chiding, 3 years for a 35 year old pitcher seems like a bad idea to me, as well.

It's much too early to angry with the front office for not fixing the rotation yet. It is only the first day of the winter meetings. So, I agree with you 100% on that point.

Also, not very excited by the idea of giving Dempster that much money. Maybe offer a one year deal, but he's looking for more than that. Any way about it, Dempster should not be the first pitcher they go after.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:28 AM

According to CBS Sports' Jon Heyman, the Tigers offered Anibal Sanchez a four-year, $48 million contract.

And it was quickly rejected by Sanchez and his agent, who called the proposal an "insult." Sanchez is thought to be seeking a six-year deal worth close to $90 million. The Red Sox, Blue Jays, Rangers and Dodgers are known to have interest, and the Tigers will presumably be back in the running if the asking price drops.

Source: Jon Heyman on Twitter

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:33 AM

Ryan Dempster is looking for a three-year deal, reports Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

The Brewers are highly interested in working out an agreement with the veteran right-handed starter, but they don't want to go beyond two years. Dempster has also drawn interest from the Red Sox, Royals and Angels so far this offseason. He registered a solid 3.38 ERA, 1.20 WHIP and 153/52 K/BB ratio across 173 innings this past summer between the Cubs and Rangers.
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Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:35 AM

I am not high on Dempster. While he has always had good K and BB rates, he has always had high hit rates and that is in the NL where he faces a pitcher every 3 innings. His career WHIP is 1.433. He had a 5+ERA with the Rangers last year and I think that is where he will stay if with an AL team.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:36 AM

[quote name='Twins Twerp'][quote name='SpiritofVodkaDave'][quote name='TwinsFanInPhilly']Saw a tweet that Tigers offered Sanchez 4/48 - would you rather try to beat that?[/QUOTE]

Uhh, yes, yes I would. Sanchez is 7 years younger and a significantly better pitcher. I would gladly give him 4/50-52 then 3/42 for Dempster. I would do as high as 5/60-62 for sanchez.[/QUOTE]

Your 5/62 would not even get you a phone call back. This guy is going to get 6 years I would bet money on it. This is the problem with signing top-tier free agents. It just doesn't work. You have to build through your farm system and trades. There is no way any of these guys are worth this amount of money. Dempster for 3 years...at age 35, no chance. Forget it. We need to keep looking for the bargains. We may suck next year, but I'd rather suck with a low payroll than suck a little less with a high payroll. Use that money to resign our guys when they turn into to studs: for example a guy like Meyer is a Boras client. Save that money and try to sign him early for long term (which is probably not going to happen because Boras is the worst thing in baseball).[/QUOTE]

6 years is a long time that typically only "aces" get. Sanchez isn't an Ace, they are asking for 6/90 but I would be shocked if they got that much. 5 years/75 would get it done I imagine, possibly even 5/70

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:44 AM

6 years is a long time that typically only "aces" get. Sanchez isn't an Ace, they are asking for 6/90 but I would be shocked if they got that much. 5 years/75 would get it done I imagine, possibly even 5/70


I think there's a chance he'll get six years. It seems that every year, there's a team willing to overpay a guy based on his previous postseason. Sanchez pitched really well for the Tigers and some GM will put too much stock in that performance.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:45 AM


6 years is a long time that typically only "aces" get. Sanchez isn't an Ace, they are asking for 6/90 but I would be shocked if they got that much. 5 years/75 would get it done I imagine, possibly even 5/70


I think there's a chance he'll get six years. It seems that every year, there's a team willing to overpay a guy based on his previous postseason. Sanchez pitched really well for the Tigers and some GM will put too much stock in that performance.


3.75 ERA as a Tiger, also a sub 7 k/9 rate. He wasn't exactly Cy Young out there.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:54 AM

[quote name='SpiritofVodkaDave'][quote name='Brock Beauchamp'][quote name='SpiritofVodkaDave']
6 years is a long time that typically only "aces" get. Sanchez isn't an Ace, they are asking for 6/90 but I would be shocked if they got that much. 5 years/75 would get it done I imagine, possibly even 5/70[/QUOTE]

I think there's a chance he'll get six years. It seems that every year, there's a team willing to overpay a guy based on his previous postseason. Sanchez pitched really well for the Tigers and some GM will put too much stock in that performance.[/QUOTE]

3.75 ERA as a Tiger, also a sub 7 k/9 rate. He wasn't exactly Cy Young out there.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I'm well aware of that. I wouldn't give him six years, only saying that there's a chance some GM out there will do it.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:56 AM

We live in a society where a man can be "insulted" by being offered $48 million to play baseball. What a world.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:04 PM

We live in a society where a man can be "insulted" by being offered $48 million to play baseball. What a world.

Get off the soapbox!

That offer is insulting to Sanchez and his agent, since it is at least 33% less then even close to market value for him. Dollar amount doesn't matter, let's say you know your fair market value as a blogger is $50,000 a year, if someone gave you a serious offer to write for their website for $20,000 would you not feel insulted?

Same thing with the CEO who is worth 10 mil a year being offered 2 mil a year.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:08 PM

We live in a society where a man can be "insulted" by being offered $48 million to play baseball. What a world.

Get off the soapbox!

That offer is insulting to Sanchez and his agent, since it is at least 33% less then even close to market value for him. Dollar amount doesn't matter, let's say you know your fair market value as a blogger is $50,000 a year, if someone gave you a serious offer to write for their website for $20,000 would you not feel insulted?

Same thing with the CEO who is worth 10 mil a year being offered 2 mil a year.


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:17 PM

[quote name='twinsnorth49'][quote name='SpiritofVodkaDave'][quote name='Nick Nelson']We live in a society where a man can be "insulted" by being offered $48 million to play baseball. What a world.[/QUOTE]
Get off the soapbox!

That offer is insulting to Sanchez and his agent, since it is at least 33% less then even close to market value for him. Dollar amount doesn't matter, let's say you know your fair market value as a blogger is $50,000 a year, if someone gave you a serious offer to write for their website for $20,000 would you not feel insulted?

Same thing with the CEO who is worth 10 mil a year being offered 2 mil a year.[/QUOTE]

Kettle, meet Pot.

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I guess I should have replaced soapbox with faux social outrage.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:42 PM

Yikes, did we just wonder into an free market/socialism debate?

Damn you Dempster for starting a deeper argument. I don't get what were talking about so I will change the subject...DON'T SIGN DEMPSTER FOR THAT KIND OF DOUGH...MOOLA...MARK...YEN...EURO...POUND...PESO...FRANK...RUPEE...NAIRA...etc. (ps I couldn't think of any more international amounts of monetary values)

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:57 PM

Is it just me, or is anyone else amused at how much consternation there is over the Twins so far doing nothing to address next year's pitching staff, and yet there's constant derision over almost every potential contract being thrown out as a possibility. Just to lump myself amongst the people I'm chiding, 3 years for a 35 year old pitcher seems like a bad idea to me, as well.


Great post. Funny how Terry Ryan was derided for calling the free agent market thin when according to the posters here there aren't any pitchers good enough to play for us. Don't get me wrong, I think the asking prices on some of these players are pretty obscene, but is there any real difference between bitching about the price before the guy is signed and whining about how the team missed out after the guy signs somewhere else?

That said, Dempster would be a good idea for a year or two. I really like Dempster. Three years though? Not so much.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:08 PM

If we sign Anibal sanchez 1st, yes i would offer Dempster a 2 year contract with a option 3rd year , maybe a vesting option?If not Dempster then either Jackson or Haren as the #2 option for our 2013 rotation.
As for Sanchez offering him an opt out after his 2nd year might improve our chances of signing him.With salarys skyrocketing , this might look good to him. Like i have posted i would offer 15 million over 4 years with an vesting option at 20 millon ,with an opt out for him after 2 years, allowing him to pursue bigger money , and also giving him security at the same time..

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:33 PM

Yeah guys you can't bitch about no pitching but then bitch about the money it costs to get FA starters....just doesn't work boys can't have it both ways. Now I agree...NO on Dempster but if he's commanding and will probably get 12-13 mil per season for 2-3 yrs from someone then what do we expect to pay for anyone decent??

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:33 PM

Agree totally! with 70 charger

Edited by Dilligaf69, 03 December 2012 - 01:37 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:35 PM

Is it just me, or is anyone else amused at how much consternation there is over the Twins so far doing nothing to address next year's pitching staff, and yet there's constant derision over almost every potential contract being thrown out as a possibility. Just to lump myself amongst the people I'm chiding, 3 years for a 35 year old pitcher seems like a bad idea to me, as well.


Great post. Funny how Terry Ryan was derided for calling the free agent market thin when according to the posters here there aren't any pitchers good enough to play for us. Don't get me wrong, I think the asking prices on some of these players are pretty obscene, but is there any real difference between bitching about the price before the guy is signed and whining about how the team missed out after the guy signs somewhere else?

That said, Dempster would be a good idea for a year or two. I really like Dempster. Three years though? Not so much.




Not bad but doubt he does it..