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#1 stringer bell

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Posted 08 August 2020 - 07:43 AM

Jake Odorizzi gets activated today to face the Royals, filling out the 28-man active roster which will include 16 (!) pitchers. The way the Twins are playing it, they need all or almost all of those pitching slots because they have had a grand total of four six-inning starts at this point in the season. Further, more length won't be expected soon from Rich Hill or Odorizzi as they come off the IL, nor from Thorpe or Smeltzer as they fill in until the rotation has some semblance of stability. 

 

With the activation of Odorizzi, the Twins will have starters Hill and Bailey and reliever Zack Littell on the IL. Josh Donaldson was put on the IL yesterday and has to be on the shelf for at least a week. Also, Willians Astudillo is still on the IL, but has been in St. Paul for 12 days. I would presume he is close to being physically ready to join the team. 

 

General managing from my couch, I would expect that the Twins drop a pitcher sometime before Donaldson returns, but really I don't see them going any lower than 14 pitchers for the rest of the season. Among the pitchers, I would guess the activation progression would be Littell, then Hill and finally Bailey. As I understand it "Dick Mountain" is expected to throw a bullpen while on the road trip and could be activated when the team gets back home. Littell can come off Monday, I believe and he figures to be totally healthy by then. 

 

So, who goes when these guys return? I think Poppen is the first choice to be sent back, given that his option has been used already and that he is the last guy in the 'pen. Next would probably be one of Thorpe or Smeltzer--Thorpe perhaps getting another start in the coming days. Alcala or Thielbar would probably be options if all are healthy and the team want "only" 15 arms. 

 

As far as the position players go, I don't know when but the club has to decide on Astudillo pretty soon. I assume he has options, so if Avila and Garver stay healthy, the Turtle might get optioned to St. Paul. If not, I would presume that when Astudillo is activated, the club will cut back by one pitcher, unless someone else comes up injured. Donaldson's return would probably prompt a return to 14 position players, although by then, someone else will probably have a disabling injury. 

 

I think the Twins, by virtue of the versatility of Gonzalez and Adrianza, are well suited to play with fewer position players, even with 16 pitchers, they have major league depth at all positions. 

 

My educated guesses will probably all be wrong and almost certainly in the next couple of weeks, new injuries will be added to the mix. It is interesting to see how Derek and Thad manage the active roster and 40-man.


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Posted 08 August 2020 - 08:12 AM

I don't see the Twins going to 15 position players at any time this year. My guess is that a pitcher gets sent down when Donaldson is ready and they stay at 13 with 15 pitchers the rest of the year. That would put Astudillo on the taxi squad, unless some catcher gets banged up and they need him.

 


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Posted 08 August 2020 - 09:13 AM

These are at 12 now, so adding two position player would put them at 14. I certainly don’t see them going below 14 pitchers.

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Posted 08 August 2020 - 09:17 AM

 

I don't see the Twins going to 15 position players at any time this year. My guess is that a pitcher gets sent down when Donaldson is ready and they stay at 13 with 15 pitchers the rest of the year. That would put Astudillo on the taxi squad, unless some catcher gets banged up and they need him.

My bad. I made a fat fingers error by saying 15 position player. It should have read 14, and I have edited the original post.


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Posted 08 August 2020 - 12:00 PM

Is Astudillo worth an active roster spot? Other than a feel good story, he really isn't that good.

 

I'd like to see Theilbar and Poppen the first to go from the bullpen when guys return. Then Smeltzer and Alcala. 

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Posted 08 August 2020 - 12:36 PM

Is Astudillo worth an active roster spot? Other than a feel good story, he really isn't that good.

I'd like to see Theilbar and Poppen the first to go from the bullpen when guys return. Then Smeltzer and Alcala.

If Tortuga can hit like he did in 2018, we could use a guy who hits for contact regularly. Would be an upgrade from Garvey in his slump.

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Posted 08 August 2020 - 03:39 PM

 

If Tortuga can hit like he did in 2018, we could use a guy who hits for contact regularly. Would be an upgrade from Garvey in his slump.

But it would also be a huge step backward defensively from Garver or Avila.

 

 

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Posted 09 August 2020 - 08:30 AM

 

But it would also be a huge step backward defensively from Garver or Avila.

I don’t think Garver is defending nearly as well this year. His passed ball and wild pitch rates are up, he is a 15th percentile framer thus far and his pop time was poor to begin with. Astudillo really can’t be significantly worse than that as a defender. I should add though there may be a hidden edge related to game calling and sequencing.

 

At the plate he appears to have a different approach. Is it Donaldson in his ear that has shifted his approach? He needs to get different voices in his ear about batting and truly do a reset. A handful of days off may help is Astudillo is healthy and able to contribute.

 


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Posted 09 August 2020 - 09:41 AM

I know this refelects a certain recency bias, but I think Poppen then Thorpe are the guys to send back for Littell and Hill. Poppen is back of the bullpen filler, and Thorpe has not loooked good at all. Seems like his velocity is down. He might benefit from some time in St. Paul, although not as much as if there were a AAA this year. I think Thielbar then goes for Bailey.

 

The tougher call is when Donaldson is ready to come back. Alcala looks like he belongs. He could be a valuable late inning guy this year. Smeltzer is servicable and he can eat innings. I guess I would send Smeltzer back at that point unless there's another injury. Alcala is a Twin of the future; Smeltzer mybe or may not be. No room at the Inn for Astudillo unless there's a catching injury or we want to give up on Cave. Astudillo's versitility value is already bettter served by Gonzalez and Adrianza, he's a mediocre catcher, and he isn't much of a hitter. He's a classic AAAA player on the Rochester shuttle guy.He reminds of the kind of guy we would have if we were a sub .500 team and we wanted to generate fan interest while hoping there's another gear in there so he could become a quality big league player, all the time knowing he probably doesn't have that gear. Love the guy, but he's just not that good.  

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Posted 10 August 2020 - 09:45 PM

Jake Odorizzi gets activated today to face the Royals, filling out the 28-man active roster which will include 16 (!) pitchers. The way the Twins are playing it, they need all or almost all of those pitching slots because they have had a grand total of four six-inning starts at this point in the season. Further, more length won't be expected soon from Rich Hill or Odorizzi as they come off the IL, nor from Thorpe or Smeltzer as they fill in until the rotation has some semblance of stability.

With the activation of Odorizzi, the Twins will have starters Hill and Bailey and reliever Zack Littell on the IL. Josh Donaldson was put on the IL yesterday and has to be on the shelf for at least a week. Also, Willians Astudillo is still on the IL, but has been in St. Paul for 12 days. I would presume he is close to being physically ready to join the team.

General managing from my couch, I would expect that the Twins drop a pitcher sometime before Donaldson returns, but really I don't see them going any lower than 14 pitchers for the rest of the season. Among the pitchers, I would guess the activation progression would be Littell, then Hill and finally Bailey. As I understand it "Dick Mountain" is expected to throw a bullpen while on the road trip and could be activated when the team gets back home. Littell can come off Monday, I believe and he figures to be totally healthy by then.

So, who goes when these guys return? I think Poppen is the first choice to be sent back, given that his option has been used already and that he is the last guy in the 'pen. Next would probably be one of Thorpe or Smeltzer--Thorpe perhaps getting another start in the coming days. Alcala or Thielbar would probably be options if all are healthy and the team want "only" 15 arms.

As far as the position players go, I don't know when but the club has to decide on Astudillo pretty soon. I assume he has options, so if Avila and Garver stay healthy, the Turtle might get optioned to St. Paul. If not, I would presume that when Astudillo is activated, the club will cut back by one pitcher, unless someone else comes up injured. Donaldson's return would probably prompt a return to 14 position players, although by then, someone else will probably have a disabling injury.

I think the Twins, by virtue of the versatility of Gonzalez and Adrianza, are well suited to play with fewer position players, even with 16 pitchers, they have major league depth at all positions.

My educated guesses will probably all be wrong and almost certainly in the next couple of weeks, new injuries will be added to the mix. It is interesting to see how Derek and Thad manage the active roster and 40-man.


I agree with your logic. I think you could send Smeltzer back if you think Alcala could flash. The reason being Hill/Pineda/Bailey will be coming back who theoretically are all better than Smeltzer or at least ahead on the pecking order because of vet status.

Smeltzer won’t be kept ahead of them. So keep Alcala for as long as possible to see what we have... my strategy anyway...

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Posted 11 August 2020 - 08:17 AM

What is it going to take for us to see Duran make a start? Thorpe needs to figure it out not in MLB games this year. 


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Posted 12 August 2020 - 12:09 PM

Experiment as much as possible. Try many different lineups but Sano and Buxton need as much work as possible. Pitch by committee as in yesterday's game. Work on weaknesses. Play smart but not too hard. Stay loose, Have fun. Get ready for 2021. Who cares about 2020? Above all..do NOT win the World Series in 2020. Playoffs would be nice because of extra practice. By the way, total reliance on the long ball is not working. Try small ball for a few games. Actually try a few bunts in a game.


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Posted 27 August 2020 - 08:26 PM

The Twins play a doubleheader tomorrow starting at 12:10 PM and I suppose they will recall a pitcher, perhaps Duran, for the doubleheader. On Monday, Pineda returns and they will have to reduce both their active roster and their 40-man. Pineda's return will give the club five starters (four veterans and Dobnak) with Odorizzi waiting in the wings. 

 

Dobnak, Berríos and Maeda are fullly stretched out, although Dobnak hasn't gone much more than five innings. Hill went five innings his last outing, Pineda will probably be on a pitch count and so will Odo. Perhaps Rocco will piggy-back two of the guys or else he can go with a six-man rotation. 

 

Of course, there will probably be someone else going on the IL by then. Who gets taken off the 40-man? My guess is Coulombe.

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Posted 28 August 2020 - 08:14 AM

I think a lot of this depends on Donaldson. If he's on the active roster, I can't see carrying Gonzalez, Adriana, Vargas, and Austudillo. That's a lot of infielders.

 

Either Austudillo goes to St Paul or they cut Vargas (and they seem to like him, giving his pinch hitting appearance the other day).

 


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Posted 28 August 2020 - 08:57 AM

 

I think a lot of this depends on Donaldson. If he's on the active roster, I can't see carrying Gonzalez, Adriana, Vargas, and Austudillo. That's a lot of infielders.

 

Either Austudillo goes to St Paul or they cut Vargas (and they seem to like him, giving his pinch hitting appearance the other day).

Astudillo was already optioned. He's on the taxi squad and the 40-man. I think reducing their position players is a whole other deal and if Buxton is ready to come off along with Donaldson, that is two positions to reduce. LaMonte Wade would be one obvious choice. The other?

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Posted 28 August 2020 - 09:03 AM

OK, in another thread the Twins DFAed Coulombe and add Juan Minaya. Lewis Thorpe is the 29th man for today. It wouldn't surprise me if Minaya is here for today and on the DFA list tomorrow.

 

I would wager that both Thorpe and Minaya will pitch in today's doubleheader.


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Posted 28 August 2020 - 09:17 AM

OK, in another thread the Twins DFAed Coulombe and add Juan Minaya. Lewis Thorpe is the 29th man for today. It wouldn't surprise me if Minaya is here for today and on the DFA list tomorrow.

I would wager that both Thorpe and Minaya will pitch in today's doubleheader.


Yep. Can’t see bringing up Duran now with big Mike coming back. Would have liked instead of those bp games however.
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Posted 29 August 2020 - 09:19 AM

Given Garver's injury and hitting woes and Avila's injury and hitting woes, any chance the Twins will try to get Jason Castro back from the Angels? I live in LA and the Angels are rightfully desperate for pitching. They also seem willing to part with Brian Goodwin, a quality 3rd/4th OF who can play CF, although he does hit LH. Still Goodwin is a .786 career OPS guy, over .800 this year, and would be an offensive and defensive upgrade over Cave and Wade. Maybe there's a deal to trade a young pitcher(s) for Castro and Goodwin to help this year. Both are on expiring contracts so you would think the price won't be too high and you wouldn't block someone like Jeffers or the younger OFs for next year unless we really wanted to keep one of them at the end of the year. Also, the Angels will need a SS next year if they don't re-sign Simmons and need catching help. 

 

Here's my proposal:

 

Twins get: Jason Castro, Brian Goodwin

Angels get: Dakota Chalmers or Josh Winder, Jamir Camargo, PTBNL (High A to AA pitcher, good but not top propect) or substitute Gordon for Camargo and the PTBNL

 

Immediate value for the Twins, future value for the Angels. The PTBNL can be a longer shot with more upside or more immediuate but lesser help. Discount value of Castro and Goodwin since they are potentially one year (month) rentals.

 

What do you guys think?


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Posted 29 August 2020 - 09:36 AM

I think Jason Castro and Avila are pretty much of a wash. Avila is playing a bit more with Garver's struggles and now his injury and he's acquitted himself pretty well. Pretty much what Castro did for the last 2/3 of 2019. 

 

A classic fourth outfielder would be fine--I think Cave does much better when he's in the lineup on a regular basis as opposed to once or twice a week--but with health of the starting outfielders, a fourth outfielder won't get much run and in that case it would be preferable to have either a switch hitter or right handed hitter. 


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Posted 01 September 2020 - 10:32 AM

Buxton and Pineda to be activated today, with Donaldson coming on board tomorrow, according to MLB Trade Rumors. Who goes? I would guess that LaMonte Wade Jr. is certain to head back to St. Paul with Buxton being activated. As far as making room for Pineda, Minaya or Poppen would make sense. Perhaps "sending down" Poppen for a day, since an extra player will be required for the doubleheader on Thursday. Vargas would figure to be on thin ice for a DFA tomorrow.




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