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Article: Does Torii Hunter's Contract Bode Well For A Josh Willingham Trade?

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#1 John Bonnes

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:44 PM

You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.co...illingham-Trade

#2 BBWriterMan


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:00 PM

It feesl like the Twins would be selling high on Willingham, but I agree that they would not get much for him in a trade. At least not anything (a starting pitcher?) of equal value. It's better to hang onto him and deal Span, in my opinion.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:11 AM

Sell High
Willingham to Atlanta for Randall Delgado, Julio Tehrean, and Edwardo Salcedo

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:53 AM

Gardenhire doesn't understand the value of true platoons, so by dealing JW the Twins could end up with six lefty bats in a row to get mown down by some chump loogy, instead of the four in a row that never see a rhp now after the 5th inning. But they're going to lose anyway. If they're semi-smart and give up on the season, they could actually maybe get some good return for JW.

#5 Mike Sixel

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:20 AM

Well, they claim one reason they did not deal him last year was that they did not want to trade a guy right after signing him. Would now be different?

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:26 AM

First of all, unless you're the Marlins and don't give a damn about your fans or your players & their families, you don't trade a player (who seems very happy to be here, by the way) one year into a multi-year free agent contract. You just don't. In the real world, from a human relations standpoint, trading Willingham would send a terrible message.

Secondly, where in the world are the Twins going to get any right-handed power for the middle of the lineup without Willingham? Their pitching was so bad last year that it hid the fact that their offense really wasn't very good - they were 10th out of 14 AL teams in runs and OPS. There are other positions to deal from, the Twins need to hang on to their one reliable RH power bat.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:09 AM

I think you might have to consider that Willingham signed his deal with the Twins probably thinking that 2011 was an aberation and that the team he was joining would be competitive. If that's the case, there's every possibility that he would welcome a trade to a team that has a better chance of contending. So even though he doesn't have a no-trade clause, if the Twins truly are concerned about the "message" it would send, they could simply ask Willingham if he'd object to a trade.

I do think fans are considerably overestimating what a slowfooted OF/DH would fetch in a trade, even one who had such a solid year at the plate. Because of that, and because the Twins would immediately find themselves with yet another gaping hole (RH power hitter) in the middle of their lineup, I don't think Willingham gets traded this offseason. If he gets off to a decent start in 2013, he may bring a better return at the trading deadline when trading him to a contender may even be considered doing right by him.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:52 AM

This team lost 195 games the last two seasons, every player including Mauer should be on the table if the trade will make the team better long term.

Yes I understand Mauer has a no trade but that can be waived.

#9 Jim H

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:16 AM

I doubt if anybody is off the table this off-season as far as trades go. Still, I rather doubt if Willingham will be traded. There is no right handed bat close to the majors to replace Willingham and the only other righthanded power would be Plouffe. Unless it turns out that there is no other way to get enough starting pitching, Willinham won't be traded. Especially, if you assume the Twins believe that they can contend this year.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:06 PM

This team lost 195 games the last two seasons, every player including Mauer should be on the table if the trade will make the team better long term.

Yes I understand Mauer has a no trade but that can be waived.

Willingham, Mauer, Morneau, Span would all bring nothing in trades. Trade Gardenhire for a decent trainer and the team would improve immeasurably.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:54 PM

Trade Willingham to the Mariners for Danny Hultzen, Span to the Braves for Randal Delgado, and Morneau to the Red Sox for Allen Webster. We'd then have a pile of money to sign Cody Ross to replace Willingham and a solid SP like Sanchez or Jackson to top off the rotation.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:18 PM

John - Curtis Granderson is not a free agent this year.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:25 AM

I'm almost convinced the Twins aren't shopping him. And I'm fully convinced that's a mistake.

#14 Cody Christie

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:38 AM

I don't feel like the Twins are going to trade Willingham. His value is probably the highest it has ever been so the Twins should take advantage of this. He might be able to bring back some decent players if a team has a need in the outfield.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 06:28 AM

I agree with the comment on Willingham being overvalued. Trade value will be determined after some of the FA outfielders sign. Losers in the signing derby will then be looking for trades to fill the holes. Trades will be the way for the small market teams anyway and most of them have the pitching.