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[Seth Stohs]

It appears that the Miami Marlins will do their best to make life difficult in the NL East for Mike Redmond.

Sources are indicating that the Marlins have traded RHP Josh Johnson, LHP Mark Buehrle, SS Jose Reyes, C John Buck and IF/OF Emilio Bonafacio to the Blue Jays for Yunel Escobar and several prospects.

Holy ridiculousness!!! Embarrassing for baseball are the Marlins!

[AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS]

SAYYYYYY WHAAAATTTT???????

In all seriousness I hope this is a joke....If this is true it is a straight salary dump and the marlins will end up just like or even worse than the ASTROS

[Tuba]

So much for courting Latino's... or, you know, anyone

[Rick Blaine]

did the Twins get Johnson and Buerhle?

[Rick Blaine]

did the Twins get Johnson and Buerhle?

I suppose I should have read the second line!1 My bad.

The Marlins tend to clean house every three or four years-- and then rebuild.

[Westgaard66]

Wow, don't Reyes and Buerle have No trade clauses?

Giant salary dump, if I were a marlins fan I'd be revolting.

that ugly ass stadium is gonna be empty.

Edited by Westgaard66, 13 November 2012 - 06:57 PM.

[Top Gun]

Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that the Blue Jays have acquired Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, Mark Buerhle, Emilio Bonifacio and John Buck from the Marlins in exchange for Yunel Escobar, Adeiny Hechavarria, Henderson Alvarez, Jake Marisnick and Justin Nicolino.

Wow. Rosenthal says that there could be even more players involved in the deal, as well. It's obviously a massive deal for a variety of reasons. The Blue Jays are adding a ton of talent and also a ton of payroll, though it's not clear how much, if any, money is changing hands. Meanwhile, the Marlins are having yet another firesale, this time just a year after finally getting their new stadium.
Related: Blue Jays

Source: Ken Rosenthal on Twitter

[mnfireman]

Here is the news on MLB Trade Rumors

Edited by John Bonnes, 13 November 2012 - 06:57 PM.
Please don't copy stories from other sites.

[JohnChoiniere]

1) I've read (admittedly on twitter) that the Marlins don't issue *any* no-trade clauses.

2) According to Morosi, this would dump EIGHTY FOUR percent of their 2012 opening day salary.

[AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS]

Read more at http://www.mlbtrader...rmMgfIgB1v0I.99

thank you for all your work put into this post!

Edited by John Bonnes, 13 November 2012 - 06:57 PM.
Edited out copied stories

[Top Gun]

Twins want to know where was T. Ryan on this deal?

[Brock Beauchamp]

I hope the fine people of Miami are organizing a public tar and feathering of Loria before they tie him on a boat pointed toward Cuba.

Just deplorable. Worst owner in sports.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Twins want to know where was T. Ryan on this deal?

Hopefully far, far away. Buerhle is owed a combined $39m in his age 35 and 36 seasons.

[AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS]

Twins want to know where was T. Ryan on this deal?

Hopefully far, far away. Buerhle is owed a combined $39m in his age 35 and 36 seasons.

Yeah he has a total of 48 million owed to him over the next 3 years.....no thanks

[Top Gun]

Johnson will make $13.75 million in 2013 before hitting free agency, while Buehrle is set to earn $48 million over the next three seasons. Related: Blue Jays, Mark Buehrle

Source: Ken Rosenthal on Twitter

[John Bonnes]

So the Blue Jays, who were at $75M on Opening Day last year, just added.... $50M in salaries for next year? That doesn't make sense. Either they are flipping some of these guys or there are some 3rd teams involved, right?

[AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS]

So the Blue Jays, who were at $75M on Opening Day last year, just added.... $50M in salaries for next year? That doesn't make sense. Either they are flipping some of these guys or there are some 3rd teams involved, right?

John according to Tim Kurkjian from ESPN, the Toronto Blue Jays owner is one of the richest and has been saying for sometime that he has been waiting to make a splash like this when the time was right. I guess the time was right lol.

[raindog]

This is what the Marlins do. And they always come back as contenders. Not a shock, and not a terrible thing to do. They weren't going anywhere with those guys. They went all in last year, and failed miserably. Now they get to start over, instead of treading water (like another certain team).

[beckmt]

It appears the Blue Jays have upped the stakes in the east. This will make life difficult for all the other teams in the division. They may not be the favorite in the east, but they certainly made themselves the equal of the Yankess and the Rays. Should make an interesting couple of weeks. This may help the Twins as Shawn Marcum was rumored to be going to the Jays and this looks like it will not happen now.

[SpantheMan]

This is just pathetic. Shame on you, Marlins.

[AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS]

It appears the Blue Jays have upped the stakes in the east. This will make life difficult for all the other teams in the division. They may not be the favorite in the east, but they certainly made themselves the equal of the Yankess and the Rays. Should make an interesting couple of weeks. This may help the Twins as Shawn Marcum was rumored to be going to the Jays and this looks like it will not happen now.

Yes, exactly right. This just adds more to the competitive balance out in the east. I hated always seeing ONLY the Yanks and the Sox at the top of that division, and now the whole division looks like any one of those teams has a good shot at the playoffs. Should make next September interesting that is for sure

[johnnydakota]

Twins want to know where was T. Ryan on this deal?

amen , he was busy trying to lowball scott baker ,this just shows another reason for curly lyan to be fired , total failure to fix anything except lining the owners pockets

[mike wants wins]

Marlins have done this before. If it is so bad for the Marlins, why is it bad for the jays?

So, one of the richest people on the planet is spending his money to win. Good for him. If you are going to ask fans to pay a lot of money, and ask tax payers to subsidize your business, you should spend some of your own money too.

[mike wants wins]

Btw, this is what bad teams should do, deal their overpriced veterans for prospects. It's how bad teams eventually get better, not by trying to be "not bad" by signing and keeping mediocre or bad players around, but by dealing them.

[AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS]

Marlins have done this before. If it is so bad for the Marlins, why is it bad for the jays?

So, one of the richest people on the planet is spending his money to win. Good for him. If you are going to ask fans to pay a lot of money, and ask tax payers to subsidize your business, you should spend some of your own money too.

Exactly right. Wish Pohlad would do this. Just for not as much money as the Blue Jays just spent.

Edited by AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS, 13 November 2012 - 07:53 PM.

[AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS]

Twins want to know where was T. Ryan on this deal?

amen , he was busy trying to lowball scott baker ,this just shows another reason for curly lyan to be fired , total failure to fix anything except lining the owners pockets

This is one of the most idiotic things i have ever seen. The Blue Jays just added 50 million in payroll. Be realistic here, there is no way the Twins would up the payroll to 125 + million......cmon now....

[mike wants wins]

What if they Marlins had dealt Buerhle for a good minor leaguer or two? What if they then dealt Johnson for a MLB player or two? What if they then made a third trade, and dealt Reyes for 1-2 MLB players and a prospect? People would be saying they had made three good deals, gotten younger and maybe better, and freed up money to re-sign Stanton and maybe add a FA or two.....but because it is one trade, it somehow bad?

People on this board were debating if either pitcher was worth a legit prospect or not, given their salaries....now they get real value in return, and it is a bad idea? From a baseball perspective, putting aside the stadium just being put in (you really should not cut salary in the first few years of a new stadium, it should go up a lot, otherwise why get one?), isn't it a good baseball trade?

That said, I'd 100% rather have an owner like the Jays have....one that wants to pay the price to win.

[Willihammer]

Its more like $35m in added payroll for 2013, by my count. A deal like this does make you wonder, at least, how did it go down? I would love to know.

[Seth Stohs]

What if they Marlins had dealt Buerhle for a good minor leaguer or two? What if they then dealt Johnson for a MLB player or two? What if they then made a third trade, and dealt Reyes for 1-2 MLB players and a prospect? People would be saying they had made three good deals, gotten younger and maybe better, and freed up money to re-sign Stanton and maybe add a FA or two.....but because it is one trade, it somehow bad?

Yeah, that is exactly right. Based on what we know, they added a headache, a utility infielder, one OK prospect and one prospect who wasn't a top 30. That's very different than the scenario that you laid out above.

[AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS]

What if they Marlins had dealt Buerhle for a good minor leaguer or two? What if they then dealt Johnson for a MLB player or two? What if they then made a third trade, and dealt Reyes for 1-2 MLB players and a prospect? People would be saying they had made three good deals, gotten younger and maybe better, and freed up money to re-sign Stanton and maybe add a FA or two.....but because it is one trade, it somehow bad?

Yeah, that is exactly right. Based on what we know, they added a headache, a utility infielder, one OK prospect and one prospect who wasn't a top 30. That's very different than the scenario that you laid out above.

Exactly a very different scenario. You hit this one right on the head Seth. Redmond deserves better than this. I wonder if he knew this might happen when he became their manager? Either way it seems like the Marlins did not want to go through all the headache of multiple trades, and just do a straight salary dump, or else like mike wants wins said they would have done multiple trades.