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#21 Boom Boom

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:05 AM

"Fire the 3 stooges for signing someone other than Zach Greinke." I understand it has been a tough few years. But our attention span is so short. TR built a World Series contender. Did we forget that he didn't sign Johan Santana, he took him in the Rule 5. He made one of the most lopsided trades ever for Frankie Fastball and Joe Nathan. The guy knows what he is doing. I think that you are confused my friends. And by the way, I thought we weren't supposed to call people on the site and slander people. But this whole thread is meant to slam our GM.


Picking nits a little here, but TR didn't select Santana in the Rule 5. The Astros did, then Ryan flipped Jared Camp (who?) for Santana. Still a great move though.

To the OP - it's not real exciting to sign minor league free agents, but you should wait until the Twins sign major league free agents to be bothered by it. Every team is signing minor league free agents, we just never hear it because even in those other teams' markets it's not a big story.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:06 AM

Dont have a problem with what Ryan is doing. Look how many times we had to go rochester for help last year


If they would have signed better pitchers they wouldn't have called up all those "quality" arms form Rochester. Obviously no decent pitcher is going to sign before Zach Greinke signs his deal. by looking at the free agent SP there are about 15-20 good starters to choose from and the Twins need to add 3 arms by either FA or trade. So I guess the best thing to do is sit back and do nothing until after the Winter meetings and then we can have another season of disappointment...


Holy Overreaction. Its not even Thanksgiving. While they dip into rochester because of ineffectiveness, they also had to replace Pavano, Baker, and Capps all during the season. Not one good or even decent pitcher has signed anywhere. The winter meetings haven't even started and that is where a lot of trades and signings happen.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:07 AM

"Fire the 3 stooges for signing someone other than Zach Greinke." I understand it has been a tough few years. But our attention span is so short. TR built a World Series contender. Did we forget that he didn't sign Johan Santana, he took him in the Rule 5. He made one of the most lopsided trades ever for Frankie Fastball and Joe Nathan. The guy knows what he is doing. I think that you are confused my friends. And by the way, I thought we weren't supposed to call people on the site and slander people. But this whole thread is meant to slam our GM.


loopsided trade? really a young proven allstar catcher for a "-# starter and boof and frankie?
lets not forget aj had just hit .300 or was it only.298 , he has power, he is very good behind the plate and he is left handed...personally i think terry lyan made 1 lucky trade as he claimed boof was the key player in the traded...another soft tossing controll pitcher,

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:14 AM

All trades have a certain amount of luck to them. I dont think he ever claimed Boof was key to the trade. I believe that was Nathan, as Liriano was basically a throw in if i remember correctly. But i do agree, Ryan needs to get something done. I cautiously optimistic because i dont remember hearing this much chatter about FA's and trades in awhile

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:17 AM

The Twins had 19 minor league guys elect free agency (not counting guys that re-signed). So at the minimum the Twins will probably at least replace those guys.

No-hit Eric Fryer will replace one of the no-hit catchers (Rivera or Towles) that left. Wood will solidify the Red Wings bullpen, if he can't break camp with the big club.

I do find it a little interesting that these moves are being announced now, leaving these guys exposed for the Rule V draft (not that it should really matter), but typically the "Spring Training Invites" aren't announced until later. The Twins signed R.A. Dickey to a minor-league contract early in the offseason a few years ago and promptly lost him to the Mariners in the Rule V draft.

I won't overreact unless the Twins announce a signing of a "who's that?" to a Major League deal... there are still eight open 40-man spots.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:04 PM

I can understand the frustration - it seems like the big moves should happen first and the little moves later. If Ryan could choose, I'm sure that's what he would prefer.

But that's not the way the timing of the offseason is. The big free agents get a sense of what their market is now. They don't sign unless they get an offer they can't refuse, or blows away their expectations. Meanwhile, there are a lot of minor league free agents who are antsy - they want a shot next year and preferably in an organization where they have a decent path to the majors.

I'm guessing both Fryer and Wood fall into that category. Wood (or his agent) know that they Twins called up a bunch of relievers last year for a shot. Fryer looks at the depth chart and sees Drew Butera as his competition. Thus, quick signings.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:25 PM

terry ryan offered all 3 free agents the largest pay cuts posible and only capps accepted...


What? There are no pay cut restrictions on free agents.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:15 PM

terry ryan offered all 3 free agents the largest pay cuts posible and only capps accepted...


What? There are no pay cut restrictions on free agents.


I really think that one of the Leeds soccer guys is still mad at the Twins for using their song. A new way to attack a site.

#29 mike wants wins

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:37 PM

I won't be worried about Ryan is doing (or not) until good starting pitchers start coming off the market (or an available SS is acquired by someone for what the Twins could have done). Nothing real has happened for any team yet.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:56 PM

So we wait and save our money and bottom feed for a couple of starters? Jason Marquis Part II?


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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:02 PM

I won't be worried about Ryan is doing (or not) until good starting pitchers start coming off the market (or an available SS is acquired by someone for what the Twins could have done). Nothing real has happened for any team yet.


How many teams have so many glaring problems to fix with no immediate help in sight from the farm system? Are there teams needing 4 starting pitchers, a shortstop a 2B and a 3B?

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:07 PM

"TR built a World Series contender. .


Excuse me?
When? World Series?
Only once the TR teams moved to the ALCS and then that team lost. In his time as a GM he built teams that were winning AL Central championships often and then bowed out in the post-season in the 2000s and teams that were in the basement in the 90s and 2010s so far.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 05:21 PM

I won't be worried about Ryan is doing (or not) until good starting pitchers start coming off the market (or an available SS is acquired by someone for what the Twins could have done). Nothing real has happened for any team yet.


How many teams have so many glaring problems to fix with no immediate help in sight from the farm system? Are there teams needing 4 starting pitchers, a shortstop a 2B and a 3B?


C'mon seriously do you really have a problem with the moves so far? Your statement is absolutely correct but I have a hard time believing you feel as if something different should have happened by now, unless you advocate just throwing as much money as possible to someone so that they can't say no, a real sound strategy and one I know you wouldn't advoacte.

The point is nothing big has really happened and it won't until the big names start coming off the board, Ryan can't force paper to pen with any of these guys and we all know the top of the class isn't coming anyway.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 05:24 PM

"TR built a World Series contender. .


Excuse me?
When? World Series?
Only once the TR teams moved to the ALCS and then that team lost. In his time as a GM he built teams that were winning AL Central championships often and then bowed out in the post-season in the 2000s and teams that were in the basement in the 90s and 2010s so far.


Well I'll never claim to being as wise as you but I would call any team that moved to a league championship game a World Series contender. Anytime you're within 8 wins of winning it all, you're a contender.

With playoffs being such a small sample, stuff happens.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 05:27 PM

Dont have a problem with what Ryan is doing. Look how many times we had to go rochester for help last year


If they would have signed better pitchers they wouldn't have called up all those "quality" arms form Rochester. Obviously no decent pitcher is going to sign before Zach Greinke signs his deal. by looking at the free agent SP there are about 15-20 good starters to choose from and the Twins need to add 3 arms by either FA or trade. So I guess the best thing to do is sit back and do nothing until after the Winter meetings and then we can have another season of disappointment...



Well there you go, what do you suggest TR should have done by now then, sign Greinke? You've successfully contradicted yourself.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 05:28 PM

terry ryan offered all 3 free agents the largest pay cuts posible and only capps accepted...


What? There are no pay cut restrictions on free agents.



Don't let facts get in the way of a bad argument.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:11 PM

[quote name='twinsnorth49'][quote name='thrylos98'][quote name='Twins Twerp']"TR built a World Series contender. .[/QUOTE]

Excuse me?
When? World Series?
Only once the TR teams moved to the ALCS and then that team lost. In his time as a GM he built teams that were winning AL Central championships often and then bowed out in the post-season in the 2000s and teams that were in the basement in the 90s and 2010s so far.[/QUOTE]

Well I'll never claim to being as wise as you but I would call any team that moved to a league championship game a World Series contender. Anytime you're within 8 wins of winning it all, you're a contender.

With playoffs being such a small sample, stuff happens.[/QUOTE]

Technically, three wins in 04 (to be a WS contender).

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:36 PM

The Owner's meeting is this week. Any huge deals are probably going to need owner approval at least, so I don't expect to see any key figures sign until after those meetings.

And whoever mentioned it earlier is probably right, no decent starting pitcher is going to sign before Grienke does. They want to see what he gets, and judge their salaries against that.

Another key deadline is Dec 2nd, the last day to offer contracts. While it won't really matter to "star" players, a lot of the mid level free agents will probably benefit from holding out until after then, when it becomes a little clearer exactly which teams have which holes.