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How Have the Twins Fared in Previous Top-100 Prospect Trades?

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#1 Cody Christie

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 03:24 PM

Throughout the history of the Minnesota Twins, there have been few trades of top prospects in the organization. Minnesota has been forced to build from within and this has meant teams have been required to live and die through prospect development. Brusdar Graterol was clearly a top-100 prospect so how have the Twins done when trading away, or for other top prospects?Wilson Ramos
Many fans will be upset when mentioning the Wilson Ramos for Matt Capps trade. Ramos was a top-65 prospect by Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus. He recorded seven hits in his first two professional games, and it seemed like he could team up with Joe Mauer as a tremendous catching duo.

Having Mauer still behind the plate made a catching prospect more expendable. Minnesota also needed more relief help during the 2010 campaign. If Capps had helped the Twins to an extended playoff run, his trade might have been forgotten. Instead, Twins fans watched Ramos blossom into an All-Star catcher with the Nationals and Rays.

WAR Acquired: 0.9 WAR (Before Capps Resigned)
WAR Lost: 10.4 WAR

Matt Garza
Trading Matt Garza for Delmon Young seemed like a perfect fit for both teams at the time with each player being a highly ranked prospect. Tampa needed more pitching to help them take the next step and Young provided a powerful right-handed bat between Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau in the Twins line-up. Tampa would ride Garza to a World Series run, while the Twins made playoff appearances but Young was never a difference maker.

Young, a former number one overall pick, finished second in the 2007 Rookie of the Year voting. After joining Minnesota, he hit .287/.324/.429 (.753) but his bat never reached the potential he showed as a prospect and his defense was atrocious. Garza was the ALCS MVP and provided WAR totals of 3.4 or above in two of his three seasons in Tampa.

WAR Acquired: 1.0 WAR
WAR Lost: 8.5 WAR

Alex Meyer and Trevor May
These two trades seemed to get lumped together since they happened in the same off-season. With both trades above, the Twins were sending away top-100 prospects, but these trades were a little different. Minnesota dealt established outfielders Denard Span and Ben Revere in exchange for pitching prospects Alex Meyer and Trevor May along with Vance Worley.

Meyer struggled as he moved through the upper levels on the minor leagues and he would only pitch in parts of four seasons in the organization. Eventually, he was traded to the Angels before injuries ended his career. He played 22 games at the big-league level and retired after his age-27 season.

When trading for May, the Twins likely saw him as a starting pitching prospect, but he has found his niche in the Twins bullpen. Last season, he posted a sub-3.00 ERA while striking out 79 batters in 64 1/3 innings. He can be a free agent at season’s end so he will have plenty to pitch for during the 2020 campaign.

WAR Acquired: -0.6 (Meyer), 2.0 (May), and -1.1 (Worley)
WAR Lost: 7.0 (Span) and 4.1 (Revere)

How did the Twins fare in these trades involving former top-100 prospects? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion.

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#2 TL

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 03:38 PM

That’s ugly
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#3 AceWrigley

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 03:51 PM

Not very encouraging. When I hear, "Wilson Ramos", I feel like Moe of the 3 stooges in the Niagara Falls routine.

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 04:00 PM

Well, the previous regimes sure didn't do well, but we're in a new era of management here. I wouldn't expect similar outcomes.

 

It's pretty crazy to me that the Revere trade happened so long ago, yet we still have control of May that originates from that deal.

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 04:36 PM

Having played a full season Young was not a prospect.

 

Gomez, Humber and Guerra were all top 100 prospects

 

Liriano and Bonser had been a top 100 prospect and had fallen out of the top 100 prior to the Twins trading for them. Natahan was not ranked

If anything it shows that top 100 prospect lists do not mean much.

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 05:04 PM

Yikes....I just threw up in my mouth a little bit....

 

Nice idea though and great article!


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Posted 16 February 2020 - 05:11 PM

I loved that review.Thanks for the work.I think that we can only come to one conclusion in this summary.We lost.Now we have to hope we have turned a corner and have better judgment - the evaluation is years away.

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 05:21 PM

What about the Denny Neagle for Jon Smiley trade and Viola for West, Drummond ,Savage, Tapani, and Aguilera? I don't know if Neagle was too 100.... But West was the highest ranked pitcher in the Viola trade.
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Posted 16 February 2020 - 05:22 PM

Also there is the Gonsalves and Stewart for nothing as well

#10 old nurse

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 06:01 PM

 

Also there is the Gonsalves and Stewart for nothing as well

Proves my point that top 100 doesn't mean much. Somebody could prove me a Dofus, but I don't think so.


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Posted 16 February 2020 - 06:38 PM

Any trade involving prospects is a bit of a crapshoot one way or the other. I have a lot of faith in this FO. They are smart baseball men.We'll have wait to see how the Graterol/Maeda trade works out.Clearly dropping Nick Anderson from the 40-man was a mistake.Trading Pressley hasn't worked out.

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 06:57 PM

It's a matter of time until we win the Pressly trade. Just to be consistent, let's remember to judge the Graterol trade less than a year later. Also, Nick Anderson is Falvey's David Ortiz.

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 07:37 PM

 

It's a matter of time until we win the Pressly trade. Just to be consistent, let's remember to judge the Graterol trade less than a year later. Also, Nick Anderson is Falvey's David Ortiz.

Agree on your comment on the Pressley trade, but Nick Anderson is far from being Falvey's David Ortiz. Anderson has had one good year. That's like comparing Dan Quayle to Jack Kennedy.


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Posted 16 February 2020 - 07:48 PM

Exactly. Thanks for the article. Folks really like to shine it up when the deal is made, and those that hate the trades are spoken of as "negative". Prophetic would be more like it.


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Posted 16 February 2020 - 07:49 PM

 

Any trade involving prospects is a bit of a crapshoot one way or the other. I have a lot of faith in this FO. They are smart baseball men.We'll have wait to see how the Graterol/Maeda trade works out.Clearly dropping Nick Anderson from the 40-man was a mistake.Trading Pressley hasn't worked out.

Anderson was never on the 40 man.

 

Hard to say if the Pressly move will pan out, we haven't even gotten a good look at the two guys we got for him at the highest level. It wasn't a good move for the 2019 season, but we weren't advancing any further in the playoffs with him on our roster.


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Posted 16 February 2020 - 09:01 PM

 

Proves my point that top 100 doesn't mean much. Somebody could prove me a Dofus, but I don't think so.

You misspelled doofus.

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 09:02 PM

 

Agree on your comment on the Pressley trade, but Nick Anderson is far from being Falvey's David Ortiz. Anderson has had one good year. That's like comparing Dan Quayle to Jack Kennedy.

What team did this Jack Kennedy play for?


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Posted 16 February 2020 - 09:28 PM

Aaron Hicks?

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 04:32 AM

That is problem when trading away proven talent and position prospects for pitching. Pitching prospects or young pitching is a very risky business so many things can go wrong with pitchers. I always feel when teams are willing to trade pitchers there's something wrong with them or they wouldn't trade them. Even signing free agent pitchers is risky business only hit there on 50% basis usually. I still think you need to develop your own pitching but it requires a big checkbook to sign a lot of talent and hopefully you hit once a while.


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Posted 17 February 2020 - 05:19 AM

 

You misspelled doofus.

Intentional because sometimes things get missed unless there is something that draws attention to it.




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