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#41 Monkeypaws

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 05:35 PM

I think auctioning off a World Series ring for charity would really say "I'm sorry."

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 05:43 PM

 

I don’t like that the players got away with it but have come to accept why it happened that way.

What bothers me even more are the indications that MLB knew about some of this stuff long ago and instead of doing something, sat still and hoped it would just go away.

 

 

 

What bothers me the most, once again, is that "MLB" was cheated on, once again, by one of their own. The players were complicit scumbags. Nothing new there either.

 

Teams will continue to be let off the hook. Not JUST by their puppet commish, but by the media and the fans.

 

Just like they were when some clubs, after agreeing to limits, thought it was okay to damage their fellow league members by paying a laughably tiny penalty as they spent tens of millions in IFA that they had agreed they would not spend.

 

The rationalization in defense of crooked owners and management was already in full gear here.

 

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 05:47 PM

 

It's not frivolous at all, there is inarguable evidence of wrongdoing and putting all of the evidence in public light and trying to hold the players accountable not only has value but seems pretty clearly the right thing to do. To me the ONLY reason not to do that is you want the story out of the news cycle asap.

 

If there was video evidence of players injecting themselves with steroids I would bet that even Selig wouldn't have given the players immunity. 

 

This whole thing is very sad and Marwin Gonzalez is the first Twins player that I have ever disliked. 

 

If Carl Pohlad supplies the syringes? His commish gets laryngitis real quick-like. But you're right, only after telling all of us it was all player-initiated and clubs were clueless.

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#44 SQUIRREL

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 06:08 PM

I think auctioning off a World Series ring for charity would really say "I'm sorry."


Seth asked, ‘What more could he do?’ And this is a good answer. Some gesture like this could go a long way. I don’t know him so will take him at face value and believe he is truly sorry.
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Posted 11 February 2020 - 06:18 PM

 

I appreciate that he discussed it at all. However...

  • "...he communicated through the Twins that it would be the last time he addressed the topic this season."

"I'm sorry. But now that it's behind us, let's all just move on. I'm remorseful. I'm just not *that* remorseful."

 

One thing in life to learn is...... you should punish yourself, but you shouldn't keep punishing yourself (or your children) for the same thing, over and over, once you have come clean. Once is enough. All the players got immunity (not their decision) so they would tell the truth in the investigation. Some will try to punish them all year from the stands, like they have never done anything that if the whole stadium knew about, they would be shamed as well. Plus, there will still be a goal to accomplish the same result in stealing signs in other ways. The penalty for doing it electronically aided is clear, but the goal and end result which is the same no matter how you do it will still try to be achieved all year long, every game. 

 

I also don't believe the Astros, Red Sox, and Yankees were/are the only teams doing it in some kind of aided way. Hell, nobody does anything....... until they get caught, eh?

 

Let's play ball.

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#46 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 06:23 PM

I think the fact the Commissioner sent out a letter in September, 2017 to all teams is pretty clear proof they DID know, or suspect, what was happening. But at that point, what else would you have him do?

Investigate before it came to this point. If MLB reveals its own dirty deeds, it looks a lot better than... this.

#47 tarheeltwinsfan

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 07:02 PM

When someone apologizes, the person being apologized to, has 2 choices: 1) accept the apology or 2) don't accept it. I have tended to accept, rather than analyze, apologies during my life and that works better for me. I, for one, accept Marwin's apology and am ready to move on.If Cora or Bregman or Hinch or Beltran apologized, I would feel the same way. My father taught me that when I did something wrong, man up and admit it and apologize.That's what Marwin did. It's very difficult to do that, especially when there is a close bond between a group who did something wrong. 

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#48 wallyrichards

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 07:15 PM

I was wondering if or when Marwin would say something. I have no problem with excepting his apology. Evidently some are really upset with this latest scandal. Lets face it cheating in baseball is as old as the game its self. If it isn't fixing games its doctoring the ball, shooting steroids or stealing signs. It isn't just baseball. All sports have had some form of cheating even figure skating. Remember when Tanya Hardings boy friend took a wrench to Nancy Kerrigan? NHL has the curved hockey stick, NFL the deflated football and NBA lets there super stars get away with steps and don't get me started on college sports. Obviously I'm kind of joking around because what the Astros were doing was really bad but I give some credit to Marwin for owning up to it.  


#49 Mike Sixel

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 07:21 PM

One can accept the apology, but not root for him. Those two things are independent. I ask no further punishment, but I'm also not obligated to cheer for him. 

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It's been a fun year so far, GO Twins. 


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Posted 11 February 2020 - 07:50 PM

 

I'm guessing he's not too remorseful about the $21 million he cashed in on after his "career year". Ill gotten gains imo, bit of a fraud. 

This one cuts to the chase.Let's put a dollar figure on Marwin's remorse.As it stands now, it's zero.

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 07:52 PM

I hate it when people make baseless accusations. Somehow Marwin has become the biggest cheater of all. Evidently all you have to do is throw out a couple of trumped up stats, quote some other jack ass and you've made your case. The Astros won as a team, lost as a team and cheated as a team. 


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Posted 11 February 2020 - 07:54 PM

 

One can accept the apology, but not root for him. Those two things are independent. I ask no further punishment, but I'm also not obligated to cheer for him. 

 

lol until he hits a home run.

 


#53 Mike Sixel

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 08:00 PM

 

 

 

Nope. Trust me, I did not root for AP to run well, and I won't root for Marwin. I'll root for the Twins, but not him. Those two things are possible.

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It's been a fun year so far, GO Twins. 


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Posted 11 February 2020 - 08:24 PM

Everyone's remorseful once it's headline news. I hold nothing against Marwin at all. I just think it's easy to say one is remorseful after the fact. Maybe he felt compelled to say something for his teammates' sake?

 

My question has always been the same. What constitutes stealing signs? If I'm a coach and I figure out that cross arms twice then touch nose means "bunt," and I signal the 3rd baseman to move in, will I be in trouble? I doubt it. I am wondering how "stealing" is actually defined. How are the lines drawn? I have a feeling that it is quite subjective.


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Posted 11 February 2020 - 08:32 PM

 


It's hard to believe the owner isn't aware.

The owner. He is the one that benefited the most. The 5mil fine is nothing. The draft picks his team lost are more than covered by the "fine". But I guess the other owners are OK with Crane's theft as they are the ones letting him get away with it. You don't own a business of this magnitude and not know whats going on.

 

This all leaves as bad of a taste for me as the 1994 play stoppage.


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Posted 11 February 2020 - 08:34 PM

The sentiment in here that the immunity was justified is hogwash. You don’t pardon capital murder to get details because you’re too sleepy to do the legwork of an investigation. Not to mention, the easiest investigation in the history of investigations. Every square inch of a baseball stadium is likely under surveillance. A guy on Twitter broke it open in an afternoon after work. Mike Fiers knew the whole story and was singing like a canary to the media. Let’s get real, here. There were motives for the immunity beyond some ancillary details, which the commissioners office had no interest in from day 1 (see the “investigations” they performed).

Comparing Marwin to Polanco, Cruz, and Pineda is hogwash. The latter did their time. They paid their penance and earned their second chance. That’s how a justice system works. Marwin hasn’t earned anything. He was granted fraudulent immunity. He’s issuing fraudulent apologies at the order of the PR department. Another note on this topic: if Marwin would cheat to this degree, you don’t think he was also using PEDs intermittently in his career?

Fans should issue a raucous round boos in his first home at bat at Target Field. These men are a disgrace to baseball. Villains in every sense of the word.

I also think Marwin may have let a cat out of the bag a little here. His quote above: “people that were hurt by us doing this and other things.” And other things, huh? Like what? Too bad they already granted everyone on the planet immunity and we’ll never find out.
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Posted 11 February 2020 - 08:38 PM

 

I think auctioning off a World Series ring for charity would really say "I'm sorry."

A fine and the forfeiture of these rings was in order for the players who got caught cheating. Manfred blew this one all the way around.

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#58 Darius

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 08:45 PM

The owner. He is the one that benefited the most. The 5mil fine is nothing. The draft picks his team lost are more than covered by the "fine". But I guess the other owners are OK with Crane's theft as they are the ones letting him get away with it. You don't own a business of this magnitude and not know whats going on.

This all leaves as bad of a taste for me as the 1994 play stoppage.


Agreed.

The Commioner’s office efforts to not allow this to stain his legacy like Selig’s was by steroids is paying dividends. A lot of apologists out there.

This is right up there with Shoeless Joe and crew throwing the World Series, IMO.
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#59 prouster

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 08:50 PM

Nope. Trust me, I did not root for AP to run well, and I won't root for Marwin. I'll root for the Twins, but not him. Those two things are possible.


I don’t see how beating your child with a switch and stealing signs during a baseball game are worthy of the same level of derision, but I guess it’s your choice how to feel.
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#60 Homerhankie

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 08:57 PM

Forgive and move on
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