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#1 Seth Stohs

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:51 PM

[COLOR=#3E3E3E]According to the Troy Renck, the Twins have claimed RHP Josh Roenicke and Infielder Thomas Field from the Colorado Rockies. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=#3E3E3E]Last year in Colorado, Roenicke went 4-2 with a 3.25 ERA and a 1.44 WHIP. In 88.2 innings, he walked 43 and struckout 54. Looks awful Jeff Gray-like to me. I wouldn't be surprised if the Twins decided to DFA him in the coming days and try to sneak him through on a minor league deal. He's pitched in the big leagues for Cincinnati and Toronto before the Rockies.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#3E3E3E]Field hits about like Pedro Florimon who the Twins claimed from the Orioles after the 2011 season. He played in just two games for the Rockies last year after hitting .246/.315/.400 with 31 doubles, 6 triples and 8 home runs for Colorado Springs last year. He committed 24 errors in 117 games in 2012. He had played 16 games for the Rockies in 2011. [/COLOR]


[COLOR=#3E3E3E]Roenick: [/COLOR]http://www.baseball-....oenijo01.shtml

[COLOR=#3E3E3E]Field: [/COLOR]http://www.baseball-....d=field-003tho

Edited by Seth Stohs, 02 November 2012 - 01:07 PM.
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:03 PM

In addition to Roenicke, they've claimed weak-hitting infielder Thomas Field, also from the Rockies:

[COLOR=#000000]The Twins claimed reliever Josh Roenicke and infielder Thomas Field off of waivers from the Rockies, Troy Renck of the Denver Post reports (Twitter links). Neither player has become arbitration eligible yet.
Roenicke made 63 relief appearances for the Rockies this past season, completing 88 2/3 innings. The 30-year-old posted a career-best 3.25 ERA with 5.5 K/9, 4.4 BB/9 and a 50.2% ground ball rate with Colorado. His average fastball checks in at 92.3 mph and he generated swinging strikes with 8.8% of his offerings.
Field, 25, appeared in two games with the Rockies this past season. He spent most of the year at Triple-A, where he posted a .246/.315/.400 batting line in 494 plate appearances as the team's primary shortstop.

Read more at http://www.mlbtrader...4fQoIoSdt11a.99 [/COLOR]


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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:07 PM

Funny, Slama had a 4.4 BB/9 rate at AAA as well, yet had a K/9 rate of 13.6.
If Twins can't re-sign Hunter, plans are to trade, sign a FA or go in-house to find a replacement.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:08 PM

According to the Troy Renck, the Twins have claimed RHP Josh Roenicke from the Colorado Rockies.

Last year in Colorado, he went 4-2 with a 3.25 ERA and a 1.44 WHIP. In 88 innings, he walked 43 and struckout 54. Looks awful LIKE Jeff Gray to me. I wouldn't be surprised if the Twins decided to DFA him in the coming days and try to sneak him through on a minor league deal. He's pitched in the big leagues for Cincinnati and Toronto before the Rockies.

http://www.baseball-...roenijo01.shtml


Not to offend, but I felt the need to proof read that post. I think you mis-worded that fourth sentance.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:12 PM

Funny, Slama had a 4.4 BB/9 rate at AAA as well, yet had a K/9 rate of 13.6.


OMG shoot me please!!

#6 Mr. Ed

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:19 PM

Casilla claimed on waivers by Baltimore.

Found on mlbtraderumors.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:19 PM

How reliable is this source...there is nothing on either MLB.com or Twinsbaseball.com about these transactions...

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:20 PM

Funny, Slama had a 4.4 BB/9 rate at AAA as well, yet had a K/9 rate of 13.6.



Are AAA and MLB comparable?

#9 Seth Stohs

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:21 PM

How reliable is this source...there is nothing on either MLB.com or Twinsbaseball.com about these transactions...


We wouldn't post them here if they weren't reliable sources. Long-time rockies beat writer Troy Renck, one of the best in baseball, posted the Rockies players.

#10 Seth Stohs

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:24 PM

My sense (hope?) is that both of these players will be put on waivers by the Twins over the coming weeks. I hope they get through. Depth is a very good thing to have.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:27 PM

My sense (hope?) is that both of these players will be put on waivers by the Twins over the coming weeks. I hope they get through. Depth is a very good thing to have.


Hope you're right. At least the Casilla 9-lives tour has gone on to Baltimore. Makes it a banner day.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:46 PM

Baltimore is going to have the 2010 Twins' DP combo next season...

Tommy Field is more like Nick Punto than Pedro Florimon. Generously listed at 5'8". I just do not understand these 2 waiver picks since they do take space and they are not any better than anything the Twins' have. Roenicke has a Reds' connection so maybe that was part of it (Krivsky)
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#13 Jeremy Nygaard

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:59 PM

In regards to looking for BP help, I'd be more interested in flamethrower/substance-abuser Jeremy Jeffress. He would add an element the big bullpen is lacking... and still has potential.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:05 PM

Josh Roenicke is Ron Roenicke's nephew. The Brewers already have Ron's son in their system (sounds familiar?) so maybe the Twins can work a trade out for the nephew...
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:21 PM

How reliable is this source...there is nothing on either MLB.com or Twinsbaseball.com about these transactions...

Both the Twins claims and the Cassila things are on MLBTraderumors.com. They usually post pretty reliable information that they get from beat writers and agents, etc.

You can come up with statistics to prove anything. Forty percent of all people know that.


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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:27 PM

Dumpster-diving.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:43 PM

I am NOT a fan of this move & hope they outright him to ROC but....
From 08-11,, Roenicke had 8.9K/p for his 69.2IP but with 4.4bb/9 & 5.17ERA. He has had the ability to strike out guys but walks WAY too many but did get his ERA down in COL by not striking out as many.
If he is a pen candidate OVER Alex Burnett, I wouldnt be as opposed to Jeff Gray, who provided nothing

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 03:03 PM

Here is some interesting reading from the MLBtraderumors page of the pickup. There is a bit of info about Field and looks like Rockies' fans hated the move re:Roenicke. More details from the Denver post here: Roenicke really confused by the move and it is said that he was a popular guy at the clubhouse. Also reading the comments, more Denver fans hated Roenicke leaving. Both places fans feel he was one of the best in the team (again, the Rockies lost more games than the Twins last season)
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 05:04 PM

http://hardballtalk...._medium=twitter

Hardball Talk gives the Twins an A for the Roenicke claim.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 06:20 PM

http://hardballtalk...._medium=twitter

Hardball Talk gives the Twins an A for the Roenicke claim.


But their quote on Fields
The way I see it, he doesn’t have the glove to make it as a full-time shortstop or the bat to be useful as a utilityman. But at least he’ll fit right in on the Twins. Grade D

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 07:38 PM

Baltimore is going to have the 2010 Twins' DP combo next season...

Tommy Field is more like Nick Punto than Pedro Florimon. Generously listed at 5'8". I just do not understand these 2 waiver picks since they do take space and they are not any better than anything the Twins' have. Roenicke has a Reds' connection so maybe that was part of it (Krivsky)


AAA filler. Roenicke may have an outside chance as a long man out of the bullpen. Don't expect either of these guys to be on the 40-man for very long, both will be DFA'd in the near future with the hopes of keeping them in the organization. AAA filler is not a bad thing, not every single move will instantly upgrade your team.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:04 PM

http://hardballtalk...._medium=twitter

Hardball Talk gives the Twins an A for the Roenicke claim.



I think he looks a lot better than Jeff Gray

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:25 PM

Baltimore is going to have the 2010 Twins' DP combo next season...

Tommy Field is more like Nick Punto than Pedro Florimon. Generously listed at 5'8". I just do not understand these 2 waiver picks since they do take space and they are not any better than anything the Twins' have. Roenicke has a Reds' connection so maybe that was part of it (Krivsky)


AAA filler. Roenicke may have an outside chance as a long man out of the bullpen. Don't expect either of these guys to be on the 40-man for very long, both will be DFA'd in the near future with the hopes of keeping them in the organization. AAA filler is not a bad thing, not every single move will instantly upgrade your team.


Their is a wrench to this:

Apparently Roenicke is arbitration-eligible... so he is here to stay (or be moved before next month.)
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:00 PM

Looking at his splits in Colorado, he was great away from Coors Field ( .240 .330 .347) and killed lefties in general (.231 .315 .331) . That's an odd split, but TR said he wanted another lefty, maybe this will fill that hole, with a chance at being better than that if Coors was a big part of his struggles. The peripherals aren't promising otherwise, but there's reason to think he might be a decent addition.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:13 PM

Taking a pitcher from the worst pitching team in baseball is always thrilling. The infielder claim looks interesting since he wouldn't have much competition to earn a spot. Although, I doubt he is much of value.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:25 PM

Roenicke seems like a great pick up. He put up a 3.25 ERA while pitching the majority of his games at Coors Field. He seems like a better option then many of our current relievers.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 11:39 PM

Neither one of these players is a major league worthy player. Roenicke is not very good at all and is 30 years old. This is EXACTLY like the Jeff Gray signing. There is no point for this kind of nonsense from this organization. These are merely sub-replacement level players. Why on earth would the Twins bother with these guys? If Anthony Swarzak, Alex Burnett and Kyle Waldrop are add-ins for some trade in the works involving somebody, then OK it makes a modicum of sense. Otherwise, why bother with these guys. There are 23-26-year-olds who amount to the same thing but might improve given an opportunity to develop.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:15 AM

Looking at his splits in Colorado, he was great away from Coors Field ( .240 .330 .347) and killed lefties in general (.231 .315 .331) . That's an odd split, but TR said he wanted another lefty, maybe this will fill that hole, with a chance at being better than that if Coors was a big part of his struggles. The peripherals aren't promising otherwise, but there's reason to think he might be a decent addition.


I agree. Sure he's not that great, but nor are we paying him like a superstar. And if Coors Field is the source of some of his issues, as it may well be, this could end up working out in our favor. This is a solid, very low-risk signing. The Jeff Gray comparison doesn't seem terribly apt to me.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:27 AM

Neither one of these players is a major league worthy player. Roenicke is not very good at all and is 30 years old. This is EXACTLY like the Jeff Gray signing. There is no point for this kind of nonsense from this organization. These are merely sub-replacement level players. Why on earth would the Twins bother with these guys? If Anthony Swarzak, Alex Burnett and Kyle Waldrop are add-ins for some trade in the works involving somebody, then OK it makes a modicum of sense. Otherwise, why bother with these guys. There are 23-26-year-olds who amount to the same thing but might improve given an opportunity to develop.


Check your stats. Roeneke may not have high upside but he is slightly above replacement level. Even with the terrible Coors Field stats his career results are far superior to Gray's. Mid 90's fastball and a decent bullpen coach could make for a huge improvement in his pitching.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:35 AM

Seems like a good move to me, nothing to get upset about anyway. Roencike managed to put up a 2 WAR season in Col. There was enough gnashing of teeth last year over the Burton and Fien signings that I'm not going to complain about an early November move. The team still has plenty of options with both players and plenty of space on the 40 man roster, if that comes into play.