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#21 Drew

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Posted 10 January 2020 - 01:58 PM

 

If he is good and wants more than 20 dollars not a chance he signs with the Twins

 

Love the enthusiasm but that is not how international spending works. 

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Posted 10 January 2020 - 02:44 PM

“ In 2017, an unknown Japanese player made his journey across the Pacific in search of the elusive MLB contract”
I don’t think it is accurate to describe Ohtani as an unknown. Much like Ricky Rubio in basketball, he had been discussed and fantasized over since his mid teens. Oscar Colas is, at least to me, a complete unknown. It seems unusual to have one of the best prospects to emerge from Cuba playing in Japan. Normally Cuba is very protective of their best players, especially in their younger years. I appreciate Aerodeliria's insight regarding the Japanese minor leagues; something I was not aware of. All things considered it seems as if Colas is more of a candidate for the Twins top 20 Prospect list than a spot on the major league team; either as a pitcher or an everyday player.
That doesn’t mean he is not someone to pursue since we are apparently “flush with cash”; just keep things in perspective and expectations within reason.
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Posted 11 January 2020 - 11:49 AM

Would be a nice sign but am sure he will not sign until the international money is renewed. Right now most teams have used most of their resources in this area... unless he takes a pretty big discount he will wait until the summer. 

 

Adding talent ALWAYS makes sense .. especially talent that is close to the show as can use on the field or as a trade piece. 


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Posted 14 January 2020 - 03:51 PM

I think the Twins may just have the most talented Ohtani-like player in the MLB already, but he came up a few years early to be considered as an outfielder/pitcher.

“ As a pitcher during his senior year, he had a 10–1 win–loss record with a 1.90 earned run average and 154 strikeouts in 81 innings pitched. Buxton also threw a fastball that was recorded at 99 miles per hour (159 km/h).”

I want to see him pitch in a meaningless game at some point. I’m guessing he can still throw 95+ consistently.

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 04:20 PM

......In 2017, an unknown Japanese player made his journey across the Pacific in search of the elusive MLB contract......

 

Ohtani unknown? Even I knew about Ohtani!

 

I had never heard of Oscar Colas, though. Thanks for the article.

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 05:34 PM

 

They signed Yennier Cano this past summer. 

THE Yennier Cano?

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 11:54 AM

 

THE Yennier Cano?

 

I mean, mlb.com had him rated as THE #2 international prospect in the 2018 class so, yeah, THE Yennier Cano.:)

 

From what I remember, he was seen as an older, more polished relief pitcher without a terribly high ceiling, but a guy who had the chance to move quickly and contribute to a MLB bullpen in short order. A quick search shows that he's 25 years old, listed at 6'5" and throws a 70 grade fastball, 60 grade changeup and 55 grade slider.

 

I had to look up his name, but definitely remembered the signing because the timeline was really funky. As I said, Cano was the #2 prospect going into the summer of 2018 but didn't sign until shortly before the 2019 international signing date, and I'm not sure why. I think the Twins had the most international money left over from the previous summer and spent it on Cano. Whatever the case, the Twins ended up nabbing the #2 and #6 (Misael Urbina) prospects from the 2018 class.

 

Hoping his lackluster numbers this past summer were due to being away from competitive ball for a year and that he rebounds nicely this summer. 


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Posted 17 January 2020 - 02:13 PM

There will always be players out there in the world of baseball that would be nice to have and the existing roster will always be less than perfect. Play ball.


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Posted 18 January 2020 - 10:03 AM

 

I mean, mlb.com had him rated as THE #2 international prospect in the 2018 class so, yeah, THE Yennier Cano.:)

 

From what I remember, he was seen as an older, more polished relief pitcher without a terribly high ceiling, but a guy who had the chance to move quickly and contribute to a MLB bullpen in short order. A quick search shows that he's 25 years old, listed at 6'5" and throws a 70 grade fastball, 60 grade changeup and 55 grade slider.

 

I had to look up his name, but definitely remembered the signing because the timeline was really funky. As I said, Cano was the #2 prospect going into the summer of 2018 but didn't sign until shortly before the 2019 international signing date, and I'm not sure why. I think the Twins had the most international money left over from the previous summer and spent it on Cano. Whatever the case, the Twins ended up nabbing the #2 and #6 (Misael Urbina) prospects from the 2018 class.

 

Hoping his lackluster numbers this past summer were due to being away from competitive ball for a year and that he rebounds nicely this summer. 

 

I see that he was listed #2 here:

http://m.mlb.com/pro.../2018/?list=int

 

But he wasn't even listed on BA's top 50, which did include Cubans:

https://www.baseball...agreed-to-sign/

 

I guess there was some uncertainty about when he was going to sign (in what period), although his $750k bonus suggests that maybe a #2 ranking wasn't exactly accurate, in retrospect?

 

Edit to add: after the signing, MLB.com still didn't include him in the Twins top 30 prospects, and Fangraphs has him at #34 in the Twins org (although at 40 FV, he's essentially in a tie with everybody ranked 16-35). Urbina is ranked higher on both lists. So I'm not sure anybody stuck by that #2 ranking for very long! Although he still could be interesting.

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#30 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 18 January 2020 - 10:12 AM

I see that he was listed #2 here:
http://m.mlb.com/pro.../2018/?list=int

But he wasn't even listed on BA's top 50, which did include Cubans:
https://www.baseball...agreed-to-sign/

I guess there was some uncertainty about when he was going to sign (in what period), although his $750k bonus suggests that maybe a #2 ranking wasn't exactly accurate, in retrospect?

Edit to add: after the signing, MLB.com still didn't include him in the Twins top 30 prospects, and Fangraphs has him at #34 in the Twins org (although at 40 FV, he's essentially in a tie with everybody ranked 16-35). Urbina is ranked higher on both lists. So I'm not sure anybody stuck by that #2 ranking for very long! Although he still could be interesting.


In reading Pipeline's write up, I think the lofty ranking was heavily weighted by the opinion that he could be MLB ready almost immediately.

That clearly wasn't the case, as he only made it to A ball, and struggled there. His position on Twins prospect lists likely reflects that updated reality.
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