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4 Twins Prospects to Watch in 2020

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#21 Darius

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Posted 07 January 2020 - 06:29 PM

There is less than a 0% chance we see Kirilloff until he hits the service time threshold. It’s more likely that a nude Kate Upton rides a unicorn up to my front door to deliver the winning Powerball ticket (they really need to change that rule).

But, it wouldn’t shock me to see him at some point. I think it’s probably more likely we see Rooker while holding off on Kirilloff until September. Then. we’ll see Kirilloff once he hits the service time threshold in 2021.

#22 tarheeltwinsfan

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Posted 07 January 2020 - 06:43 PM

 

I see three others who have yet to be mentioned.First are the two catchers, either of whom could contribute in 2020 should two of the Twins top three catchers get injured.Would normally say we would see one of Jeffers or Rortvedt in September, but with the rule changes that isn't likely unless there are some injuries.

 

The other pitcher no one mentioned is Ober.He was unbelievable, when healthy.  

I agree on Jeffers. He is my pick to click.


#23 tony&rodney

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Posted 07 January 2020 - 07:13 PM

Less than 0%? Don't gamble with those odds.

Is the unicorn named Verlander?

I agree - the Twins are a cautious bunch. 


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Posted 07 January 2020 - 08:00 PM

 

I think that the 4 most likely to contribute in 2020 at the MLB level (from the ones who have not been there in 2019) are: Brent Rooker, Jhon Duran, Brooks Raley, and Ryan Mason, in that order.

 

Four relative unknowns I'd keep an eye on:

 

Three 2019 picks who likely all will start the season at Cedar Rapids but seem to be fast movers: Pitchers Matt Canterino, 2nd round and Cody Laweryson, 14th round, and middle infielder Spencer Steer 3rd Round. I'd also watch Wander Valdez(okay he is not relatively unknown) who had a growth spurt last season, and will likely start in E-town with an outside change in also playing at Cedar Rapids.

 

Would be nice if Valdez works out as we could use all the good third base prospects we can get. What can you tell me about Lawyerson, does he throw around 95 or does he just have good secondaries?Also hard to tell how good he might be based on his E-town stats but his K rate was fantastic. I am hopeful he is the real deal. Hoping they start Canterino in High A as he didn't seem to have much trouble in A ball.


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Posted 07 January 2020 - 08:22 PM

 

Would be nice if Valdez works out as we could use all the good third base prospects we can get. What can you tell me about Lawyerson, does he throw around 95 or does he just have good secondaries?Also hard to tell how good he might be based on his E-town stats but his K rate was fantastic. I am hopeful he is the real deal. Hoping they start Canterino in High A as he didn't seem to have much trouble in A ball.

Lawyerson has 4 pitches: FB, CH, CU, SL.FB is 92-94 right now with plus command and above average movement.CH and SL are above average with plus flashes.Needs to improve command. CU is a work in progress and might just drop, if the CH command improved.Definitely room for velo improvement with mechanics.Never pitched in top programs and coached with top coaches.More after I see him this coming ST...

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Posted 07 January 2020 - 09:21 PM

 

Great list.I'd like to see Kirilloff make his debut at some point too, but right off the bat, I'm hesitant.Just don't want things to be too big for him.One full season of baseball under his belt, a great one at that, and only half of a half season at first base?Let him see some more reps.Man, I'd love to see his bat come into play with this lineup though.

 

I was going to mention how we just wrote off Stephen Gonsalves.I didn't like that in the least.He only pitched 24 innings at the pro-level and we've banished him.We didn't let him take his lumps, cut his teeth, none of it.Just released him at the age of 25.Why would we do that?I thought the same thing about Chargois.Just let him go.Why?...I'm a passionate fan, not an employed analyst.

 

Let me first say that Stephen was one of my favorite players coming up all the way through AAA.His K-rate and ERA always seemed to be good.I always wondered why Law was so low on him.Then I finally got to see him pitch and I could start to see why.  

 

He is not a hard thrower and his fastball didn't seem to have a ton of movement.He seemed to need to place it off the plate to have any success.His curve is really slow and seemed hittable at the MLB level.I mean it seemed like it took forever for the ball to get to the plate.Then he got hurt and it seemed like the Twins had other pitchers with better stuff ahead of him and only so many 40 man spots.I think they were hoping no one would grab him and they could stash him in AAA but that was not to be as the Mets claimed him.  

 

We will see if that turns out to be a mistake or not but I think the Twins felt he didn't have what they were looking for in a pitcher or else they would have done more to protect him.I was sad to see him go but I also understand the decision.

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Posted 08 January 2020 - 12:34 PM

 

He is not a hard thrower and his fastball didn't seem to have a ton of movement.He seemed to need to place it off the plate to have any success.His curve is really slow and seemed hittable at the MLB level.I mean it seemed like it took forever for the ball to get to the plate.Then he got hurt and it seemed like the Twins had other pitchers with better stuff ahead of him and only so many 40 man spots.I think they were hoping no one would grab him and they could stash him in AAA but that was not to be as the Mets claimed him.  

 

Everything that you mentioned here is quite valid, and I did recognize some of it.I wasn't ever able to see him throw live.I knew his fastball was slower than average.I just thought he'd be a guy who could rely on placement if he had enough movement.I really would love to see him take a spot with the Mets and hold it.

 

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Posted 08 January 2020 - 02:45 PM

 

Great list.I'd like to see Kirilloff make his debut at some point too, but right off the bat, I'm hesitant.Just don't want things to be too big for him.One full season of baseball under his belt, a great one at that, and only half of a half season at first base?Let him see some more reps.Man, I'd love to see his bat come into play with this lineup though.

 

I was going to mention how we just wrote off Stephen Gonsalves.I didn't like that in the least.He only pitched 24 innings at the pro-level and we've banished him.We didn't let him take his lumps, cut his teeth, none of it.Just released him at the age of 25.Why would we do that?I thought the same thing about Chargois.Just let him go.Why?...I'm a passionate fan, not an employed analyst.

 


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Posted 08 January 2020 - 02:54 PM

 Stephen Gonsalves got hurt after his short ML stint. shortly after his release he got scooped up by someone. So someone had an eye on him, I think he could do well. 

 Gordon believe will improve at Rochester after he has adapted to AAA. I think he has no future here which makes him a trading chip that will increase this year.

 I`d like to see Jeffers take a big step this year


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Posted 08 January 2020 - 04:51 PM

Not that FanGraphs doesn't miss on prospects, but I DO think they're pretty good in general.

They see an elite group of 7: Lewis, Larnach, Kirilloff, Duran, Graterol, Balazovic, and Jeffers.

They still believe in Javier and like Urbina. Both are at 45+ FV, just a half-grade down from Thorpe, Celestino, and Cavaco. Also in that group: Miranda, Wallner, and Canterino.

But this places Javier a half-grade up from a lot of prospects people around here really like a lot: Rooker, Colina, Sands, Stashak, Rortvedt, Alcala, Blankenhorn, Wade...

...and a full grade up from Raley, Ober, and Gordon, all 35+ guys.

Chalmers is a 35FV I think, not a very promising prospect in the eyes of the FG scouts.


They've said Chalmers has the ability, but there is a lot of downside risk and probability. Iirc

It's been a fun year so far, GO Twins. 


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Posted 08 January 2020 - 10:44 PM

 

I was going to mention how we just wrote off Stephen Gonsalves.I didn't like that in the least.He only pitched 24 innings at the pro-level and we've banished him.We didn't let him take his lumps, cut his teeth, none of it.Just released him at the age of 25.Why would we do that?I thought the same thing about Chargois.Just let him go.Why?...I'm a passionate fan, not an employed analyst.

Gonsalves' been injured and simply didn't look like he had MLB stuff. We've seen the FO give up on some Terry Ryan prospects pretty quickly if they don't believe in them, and I think Stephen is a prime example of this.

 

Chargois' DFA was always bizarre, but he's pitching over in the east now, so it's not like he ever developed as a prospect. Unlike Gonsalves, he had the stuff, but just didn't have the ability to throw it where he wanted to.

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Posted 09 January 2020 - 12:02 PM

 

 

 

The other pitcher no one mentioned is Ober.He was unbelievable, when healthy.  

 

That's who I was coming here to mention


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Posted 09 January 2020 - 12:26 PM

 

Worked OK with Knoblauch in 1991... 

 

I'd be OK with going with Kirilloff, but i think he missed enough time last year at AA to let him get another half-season at Double-A and/or Triple-A levels before coming up. 

Yes, but...

 

It would certainly feel different, right? Knoblauch was coming in to play 2nd base for a team that had finished last in the division the prior year. Kirilloff would be coming in to play for a team that has the weight of very high expectations...and plunked into a spot where league-average offense hurts the team. LOTS of pressure on Kirilloff if handed the first-base job early in 2020.




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