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#1 cmoss84

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 01:59 PM

We missed out on our big money aces. A big impact 3B will either cost age/money (Donaldson) or top prospects and money (Arenado/Bryant). So why not spend money and invest in a completely different direction?

Nicolas Castellanos has played over 500 games in his career at 3B. He is one of the best hitters in all of MLB. He is also 28. Does anyone ever want him to step foot at the hot corner again? Doubtful! But in an era valuing flexibility, Castellanos might be undervalued. My question is, could he transition to 1B? With so much experience at 3B, I would guess yes (he has to have decent hands, right?). He is also 6'4". He could also play RF for us in a pinch. He could eventually transition to DH if Sano moves to 1B later on (or Kiriloff).
I would love it if the Twins offered 5/100 or even 6/120 and made Castellanos a key part of our lineup during his prime years.
Am I way off here? What do you think?
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Posted 28 December 2019 - 02:13 PM

Sano/Polanco/Arraez/Castellanos = Odds on favorite for worst starting infield in MLB 2020

 

 

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 02:15 PM

His career wrc+ of 112 doesn’t leave much space for decline as a DH or below average defense in a corner.

I do see him as someone that might enter spring without a finding a long term deal and be open to a one year and maybe an option. I wouldn’t want to commit to 5 or 6 years. In that case I would bet on Kirilloff, Larnach or Rooker.
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Posted 28 December 2019 - 02:22 PM

It's an interesting idea, but I don't think it makes sense. He's a good player, but I don't view him as a different maker, rather more of a Cuddyer type.

 

If that's their approach, they could've kept Cron for $6-7mil.

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 02:39 PM

Thanks for your input-definitely appreciate all responses! I am getting the feeling I value his bat more than most. I also should have noted that since this team isn't built on defense, defensive flexibility and premium bats are the direction I would go at this point...save a defensive specialist to put in late (Iglesias/Echevarria).
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Posted 28 December 2019 - 02:40 PM

 

I would love it if the Twins offered 5/100 or even 6/120 and made Castellanos a key part of our lineup during his prime years.

MLBTR predicted a 4/58 contract for him at the start of the offseason, so I'm guessing you're a bit high. Either in your estimate or otherwise. :)

 

He hasn't played 3B in two years, and he wasn't good there, or anywhere else. And DH is blocked in Minnesota, at least for 2020.

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 02:43 PM

Here was a Fangraphs article from September: "No, Nicholas Castellanos Is Not Getting a $100 Million Contract"

 

https://blogs.fangra...llion-contract/

 

Unless you *really* buy his Cubs HR binge, he doesn't look like a particular good investment for the 2020 Twins.

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 02:44 PM

MLBTR predicted a 4/58 contract for him at the start of the offseason, so I'm guessing you're a bit high. Either in your estimate or otherwise. :)
 
He hasn't played 3B in two years, and he wasn't good there, or anywhere else. And DH is blocked in Minnesota, at least for 2020.


4/60? Man I was way off!!

I didn't say I wanted him to play 3B, however. Mentioned him transitioning to 1B and playing OF in a pinch...

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 02:48 PM

Here was a Fangraphs article from September: "No, Nicholas Castellanos Is Not Getting a $100 Million Contract"

https://blogs.fangra...llion-contract/

Unless you *really* buy his Cubs HR binge, he doesn't look like a particular good investment for the 2020 Twins.

Thanks for posting this-good stuff!
I am definitely in at 4/60 or higher. Points taken though!
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Posted 28 December 2019 - 02:51 PM

 

I didn't say I wanted him to play 3B, however. Mentioned him transitioning to 1B and playing OF in a pinch...

Yeah, I get that. I'm just not so sure. 1B was pretty open the last 2 years for the Tigers too, with Cabrera hurt or parked at DH, and Castellanos didn't get a single look there.

 

And he's got a 112 wRC+ Steamer projection, 120 ZIPS. That's not bad, but not really worth a 4/60 investment from this Twins team either.

 

If we was willing to sign a 1 year deal, maybe it would be worth a gamble -- but even then, if his 1B defense isn't very good, you're kind of stuck with him there for the year.


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Posted 28 December 2019 - 03:07 PM

The last thing the Twins need is another liability on defense. I just don't think they can chance taking a risk on Castellanos being able to hack it at first base.

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 03:11 PM

You guys bring up some valid points. The question I have for you then, is why do you trust Sano at 1B, but not Castellanos?

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 03:16 PM

You guys bring up some valid points. The question I have for you then, is why do you trust Sano at 1B, but not Castellanos?


Because it's easier to trust one guy, than two? If Sano is at 1B, that means we upgraded defensively at 3B. If Castellanos is at 1B, that means Sano is still at 3B...
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Posted 28 December 2019 - 03:21 PM

I'm picturing 1st base i solid with Garver/Sano and or Gonzalez. Quite frankly the Twins can go with Gonzalez and Sano at third for 2020, too.

 

So the only thing would be a move of someoen like Rosario (and Marlins out of that hunt now). 

 

Next year i a different story, with Cruz and Gonzalez coming off the books. I also hope that the Twins do take a look at Garver as a first base possibility more than catcher. Don't see him being the durable guy behind the plate, but rather than a 1B who can also catch. With Jeffers and perhaps Rortfeldt in the wings, the Twins could be in for longterm surprises behind the plate for the next decade.

 

Sano continues to be the one mucking up the system. Does he play third. Is he a possible first baseman. Or better to just put him into the DH role 2021 and beyond with the possibilities that he can play in the field in interleague games, if necessary.

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 03:22 PM

 

You guys bring up some valid points. The question I have for you then, is why do you trust Sano at 1B, but not Castellanos?

That's my question as well. He has 6 errors at 1B in essentially 25 games there. In a full season at the position that amounts to over 35 errors. If we're serious about contending in 2020 is that really what we want?

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 03:34 PM

Sano/Polanco/Arraez/Castellanos = Odds on favorite for worst starting infield in MLB 2020


You might be right, but how much worse is it than last year's defense? Is his bat worth it? To me...yes.

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#17 cmoss84

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 03:39 PM

Because it's easier to trust one guy, than two? If Sano is at 1B, that means we upgraded defensively at 3B. If Castellanos is at 1B, that means Sano is still at 3B...

I guess my point is you have to pick your poison.

I'd like an addition of Donaldson, but it is (A) not guaranteed and (B) does not come without its own risks...

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 04:16 PM

I actually had thought about a Castellenos signing myself. Mostly in looking ahead with Cruz maybe moving on after 2020. I had two options in mind. Nick at 1B and everyone else stays as is or a move to 1B by Rosario or Kepler and Nick playing COF.

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#19 spycake

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 04:37 PM

 

I guess my point is you have to pick your poison.

That's my point too, and Sano plus Castellanos might be a double shot of poison on defense. :)

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 05:20 PM

If Donaldson signs:

 

3B: Donaldson - age 34-38 seasons, expensive (4/100?)

1B: Sano - not exactly a great 1B

 

If Castellanos signs:

 

3B: Sano - below average to average 3B

1B: Castellanos - age 28-32 seasons, has never played 1B. Can also be 4th OF. 4/60? or more? 

 

I actually like both moves, but neither is foolproof...actually both come with a lot of risk. But both worth the risks IMO. 

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