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#21 HrbieFan

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 02:00 PM

Let him work on his arsenal in the minors

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 02:23 PM

Last year, Twins starting pitchers rarely made it past the sixth inning. Odorizzi and Pineda averaged around 5.5 innings per start. It would be great if the Twins had inning eating starters and pitched 200 innings a year, but Berrios had 200 and 3 others around 160 and Pineda 141 with suspension. Other than 5 starters, no pitcher pitched more than 70 innings. Pitching an opener 3 innings even just using them every 5th day would allow them to pitch 90-100 innings a year. Smeltzer/Thorpe would be good options. One of them with a right hander, the combo pitches the first 8 innings and have closer finish game. I like Smeltzer/Graterol pairing, finesse followed by power.

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 03:53 PM

One thing that plays into this is the new 26th man.Astudillo seems to be the guy most assume will be that guy.And it makes sense...have a 3rd catcher so Garver can play some 1B when Avilla catches.What if it were a Lewis Thorpe?Make Thorpe the "starter" in front of Graterol.Not sure how the lefty-then-righty aspect of that would help or hurt the two pitchers.Just a thought.

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 03:58 PM

...that said, the question is "What Would You Do".I'd start him at AAA and have him on an innings limit down there with an eye toward a July call up to help the club...either as a "primary" or as a bullpen arm.My eye would be on having him ready to fill a rotation spot in 2021.


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Posted 25 December 2019 - 04:04 PM

Someone mentioned pairing him with Littel I believe. Littell the first two innings and then Graterol for four and then its handed off to the pen for 7-9. Graterol gets 120IP this way and Littell can still be used in between "starts". I'd get behind this if Graterol is ready. But it was mentioned that we could "develop him at the ML level. If he needs developing then send him to Rochester. We're contending at this point not using the ML to develop.

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 04:59 PM

I would definitely start him at AAA. He still needs time to work on his arsenal, and upon calling him up, I think it would be smart to make him a primary pitcher, since he likely won't be able to go very deep into games. It would be a big mistake to rush Graterol just because there aren't any other options.

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 05:13 PM

Too early to tell. It really depends on the Twins' moves this offseason, his offseason prep work/conditioning, and spring training performance of all the pitchers who are competing for a spot in the rotation.

Even with Pineda out for a bit, the hope here is that the Twins do not need another arm in the majors and let him build up some endurance.His max of 102 IP is not much, but he is just 21.I'd rather see him get close to 150 or so this season and make the transition in 2021. However, if he is dominating and the Twins are in contention, it will make no sense not to get him up with the club as a starter.

 

Delegating him to the pen makes no sense right now.

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 05:35 PM

Try the 2 inning opener, then put Graterol in. Have the opener be a pitcher who isopposite Brusdar... Smeltzer.

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 05:52 PM

Why not pair him with Smeltzer? Soft tossing lefty followed by a hard tossing right or vs vice versa. 2 times through the lineup / 2-3 innings each - or maybe more if they are cruising.
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Posted 25 December 2019 - 07:02 PM

No openers. Openers are the crutch of the desperate. It's the basically equivalent on the wildcat offense.
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Posted 25 December 2019 - 07:58 PM

No openers. Openers are the crutch of the desperate. It's the basically equivalent on the wildcat offense.


So then, do you want Graterol as a starter only or reliever only, in the majors or in AAA? If Graterol is on a pitch limit, being a starter or a stacker is an option. I’m not sold on the whole starter idea, either, but it could be a good way to utilize Graterol if he’s on a limit or to get him stretched by gradually increasing innings.

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 07:58 PM

This is what I'd put my chips on right now -- and also what I'd enjoy seeing the most, I think.

 

I'm not sure what the effectiveness is of stretching a guy back out via primary pitching vs. gradually increasing minor-league pitch counts (and there's not a lot of data on that comparison, obviously.) 

 

1. Berrios

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5. Opener ft. Brusdar Graterol

 

After 40 games, Pineda slots into that three spot, maybe Graterol is ready to be the full-time #5 guy and bumps Dobnak, maybe he gets sent down for more work in Rochester and Dobnak is the number five. 

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 08:50 PM

Why not pair him with Smeltzer? Soft tossing lefty followed by a hard tossing right or vs vice versa. 2 times through the lineup / 2-3 innings each - or maybe more if they are cruising.


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Posted 25 December 2019 - 09:10 PM

I think I'm in the minority. I would groom Brusdar to be the closer.
1) Bullpen work will limit his innings.
2) Injury history does not bode well for a long career as a starter.
3) Bullpen work allows Brusdar to impact more games.
4) A strong bullpen can cover a shorter rotation.

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 09:15 PM

Don't forget, even with a 26th man, teams can only carry 26 pitchers. And it is going to be more difficult to rotate players back and forth to Rochester because of a change in rules for how long a player has to stay down before they can return.

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 09:18 PM

Sorry, I misspoke. I meant to say teams can only carry 13 pitchers.

 

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 09:34 PM

Well I think, there might be a difference in innings. I think that the innings Grateral would throw in the Majors would maybe be a little more high stress innings. Whereas the innings in AAA or AA might be a little less stress innings. It would probably take Grateral less pitches to throw 5 innings in AA than it would in the Majors. So I would think the Twins would want to limit the stress on a 21 year old. Maybe they give him the first 5 or 6 starts that Pineda will miss, provided that he performs well in Spring Training. Then after Pineda comes back send him down so as to let him dominate and relieve a little stress going the rest of the way? Maybe he pitches 140 - 150 innings but I think he won't have to work so hard to get through the innings in the minors. Maybe just go with Grateral if he looks tough coming out of Spring, ride him and send him down before he gets wore out? 5 - 6 starts, 30 - 35 innings.

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 09:40 PM

Run him out there. Start now. We can be patient with his progress. Keep him up for as long as we see what we need. How long did it take Duffy? May? Maybe 2 years to develop them if the stuff is there.

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 10:00 PM

Run him out there. Start now. We can be patient with his progress. Keep him up for as long as we see what we need. How long did it take Duffy? May? Maybe 2 years to develop them if the stuff is there.


For that matter Berrios also. I mean he struggled his first time up too. Has pretty much gotten better each year since. Start the process, but limit him to just Pineda being gone and then send him down for the majority of the summer?? I mean look at most starting pitchers don't do well their first times up, Frank Viola comes to mind also.

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 11:02 PM

6 man rotation. Keep everyone fresh. Rotate the final rotation spot with Rochester.

Littell is a giant regression candidate. His xFIP was about double his era.



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