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#1 Nash Walker

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Posted 13 December 2019 - 08:30 PM

The MLB Winter Meetings have come and gone with Gerrit Cole, Stephen Strasburg and Anthony Rendon inking incredibly lucrative contracts in San Diego. Now is the time for the Twins to bring their big addition to Minnesota.The Twins absolutely need another starting pitcher, and they have been very active in seeking help for the rotation. The problem, however, is that the cost and demand are at unforeseen levels. Strasburg and Cole combined for 16 years and $569 million, and even Tanner Roark, Kyle Gibson and Michael Wacha saw their stocks balloon. The Twins may not be willing to commit four or five years for $100 million or more to Madison Bumgarner or Hyun-Jin Ryu, and that is understandable.

Even with Gibson and Martín Pérez struggling down the stretch, the Twins rotation ranked seventh in baseball in fWAR in 2019,. José Berríos, Jake Odorizzi and Michael Pineda fused together for a 3.72 ERA and 513 strikeouts in 505 1/3 innings in 2019. General manager Thad Levine told Dan Hayes of The Athletic that they feel they have “stabilized” by bringing their three best pitchers back from a year ago. As much as Bumgarner and Ryu would excite fans, multiple California teams are involved with both, and the odds that they leave the west for Minnesota seem worse with every new report.

The Twins have to improve this winter. They have the talent, youth, financial flexibility and opportunity in the weak AL Central to hang division title banners on a yearly basis. So, since the “top” pitchers are unattainable or ridiculously priced, they should focus on bringing in another impact bat, while supplementing with someone like Dallas Keuchel. What if I told you the Twins could add one of the best hitters and premier defenders in baseball?

Joshua Adam Donaldson played in 155 games last year for the Braves and hit .259/.379/.521 with 37 home runs, 33 doubles, 94 RBI, and 15 runs saved defensively at third base. This was not a breakthrough year for the former MVP, as his career slash line is .273/.369/.509 with 219 home runs. He is a certified stud at the plate and is still a premier defender entering his age-34 season.

Many people will point to career trajectory and his demand of a four-year contract as deal breakers. I will happily remind you that Nelson Cruz just hit .311/.392/.639 with 41 home runs in his age-38 season. Donaldson could be different and has a history of injuries, but that is well worth the risk. A four-year, $100 million deal for Donaldson is the likely contract, and the Twins should make it happen.

But can the Twins actually convince Donaldson to come to Minneapolis? I believe they can. According to MLB Trade Rumors, Donaldson has a relatively small market. The Nationals and Braves have been most heavily linked to him, but neither team has the financial flexibility of the Twins. The ink is still drying on Strasburg’s huge deal with the Nationals, and they seemingly made no effort to resign Anthony Rendon this winter. I would be surprised if the Nationals committed $100 million to a different third baseman.

The Braves want to keep Donaldson, and he has expressed a preference to return to Atlanta, but they are not confident in being able to pay him.This leaves the Dodgers as another linked team, but something tells me they won’t move Justin Turner over to first base for someone not named Rendon. This is a bidding war that the Twins can win.

There will be push back from the fan base if the Twins add a big time bat over an arm, but the goal here is to get better. Donaldson is a six-win player and the Twins can pound teams into submission while developing their pitchers from within. The left side of the infield was weak last year and Donaldson brings outstanding defense. Brusdar Graterol, Jordan Balazovic and Jhoan Duran are on the horizon, and avoiding ludicrous contracts with aging pitchers is nothing to scoff at.

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#2 tony&rodney

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Posted 13 December 2019 - 09:10 PM

Sure, why not. I hoped that all the bucks could gather a top pitcher but shifting strategies is a good option if the Twins management is stymied. JD should get 3/$75M, but he could really be ok at 4/$100M. He could play some !B and DH occasionally.

I would like to see Sano signed to a three or four year contract too. If he is not looking like he is amenable to signing long term, attempt to talk Atlanta into a deal: MS to Atlanta for Pache, Wright, and Toussaint or Anderson.

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Posted 13 December 2019 - 10:22 PM

 

I would like to see Sano signed to a three or four year contract too. If he is not looking like he is amenable to signing long term, attempt to talk Atlanta into a deal: MS to Atlanta for Pache, Wright, and Toussaint or Anderson.

 

...did someone say Pache?Wow.Did we just become best friends?That Atlanta outfield is crowded.I like the cuttuh yer jib.


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Posted 13 December 2019 - 10:32 PM

Sure we could sign him....he may just bump us from a wildcard game loss to divisional series loss.

 

We need lots more quality starting pitching. Our offense is pretty deep and could sustain a regular amount of seasonal injuries.

 

Just imagine what happens if Odo or Berrios even gets dinged up a bit and misses even a month....YIKES

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 08:18 AM

We have the positions filled (except 1B).Are the Twins supposed to do this just to spend money?Can he pitch?

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 09:42 AM

This signing would make no sense.Too bad Rendon signed already because we could have added him as well and then have 3 starters at 3rd base.The only way this could make sense is that you have a blockbuster trade for Sano lined up and we have a top flight pitcher coming our way.I doubt that is happening.

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 12:25 PM

I'm not really interested in position players. 

 

The team won 101 games last year yet fell short, due to lack of pitching.

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 12:53 PM

 

I'm not really interested in position players. 

 

The team won 101 games last year yet fell short, due to lack of pitching.

The offense also did very little in the playoff series, and the infield defense was pretty bad. Donaldson would improve both of those, and there's still room to add another starter. It might just have to be through a trade, since the FO doesn't appear to want to overpay a FA right now.

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 12:59 PM

Why did Donaldson have calf injuries on both the left and right calves like 4 times total? Last year I remember there was a point in the season thay they were concerned.

Buyer beware. One year maybe.

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 01:16 PM

I would rather see what it would take to get Trevor Story from Colorado. Move Polanco to 2B, Arraez to 3B, and Sano to 1B. Defense is much stronger with minimal impact on the offense.
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Posted 14 December 2019 - 01:59 PM

 

But can the Twins actually convince Donaldson to come to Minneapolis? I believe they can. According to MLB Trade Rumors, Donaldson has a relatively small market. The Nationals and Braves have been most heavily linked to him, but neither team has the financial flexibility of the Twins. The ink is still drying on Strasburg’s huge deal with the Nationals, and they seemingly made no effort to resign Anthony Rendon this winter. I would be surprised if the Nationals committed $100 million to a different third baseman.

The Braves want to keep Donaldson, and he has expressed a preference to return to Atlanta, but they are not confident in being able to pay him.This leaves the Dodgers as another linked team, but something tells me they won’t move Justin Turner over to first base for someone not named Rendon. This is a bidding war that the Twins can win.

There will be push back from the fan base if the Twins add a big time bat over an arm, but the goal here is to get better. 

 

I think you are correct. The Twins have the room in the budget to spend some cash.

 

You are also right that it is getting increasingly harder to spend our financial resources on pitching as names drop off the board. 

 

Pitching may have to be addressed via trade leaving some cash to improve the team offensively. 

 

It is very solid logic from the Twins current context that you are making. 

 

However, in the assessment of the current market for Donaldson... I do have a different opinion from yours. 

 

 

The Nats need power, they are under the CBT and historically not really afraid of the CBT. As things stand today for the Nats... They have Kendrick at 1B, Difo at 2B, Kieboom at 3B and Turner at SS and nobody interesting behind those 4 to compete or share time. The Nats are the very definition of a team that is offensive desperate enough with the resources to pay the 4 years Donaldson is asking. They need to look at Donaldson plus a 1B or 2B or all three. They don't have much choice. 

 

The Braves agree are in great shape. They have Riley who can play 3B and Culberson and Carmargo plus decent options across the infield with Swanson, Albies and Freeman. Yes, Donaldson would make them even stronger, deeper and they'd love to have him but they don't have to pay the 4 years Donaldson is asking because they can add offense almost anywhere across the diamond with money or trade because they have young pitching coming out of their ears. I don't see the Braves.

 

The Dodgers are absolutely not afraid to move Turner anywhere and it will be no factor in their decision to add Donaldson or trade for Profar or do anything to make the team better. They can sign Donaldson and have Turner play some 1B while Muncy plays whatever. They can trade for Lindor and move Seager to 2B or 3B and Turner to 1B or wherever. They Dodgers do this sort of thing all the time. They just want good players on good terms. 

 

However... The Dodgers as they stand today can do absolutely nothing this off season and make the playoffs in 2020 with relative ease.They can wait until the trade deadline to pick up a difference maker. They they do not have to cave to Donaldson's 4 year ask or to the Indians asking for Lux, Verdugo and May for Lindor.

 

The same goes for Bumgarner... the Dodgers don't have to pay 5 years for Bumgarner because they have a 5 man rotation with 4 pitchers in the minors who can replace those guys. They will try to bring Bumgarner in to make that rotation potentially better but they don't have to pay 5 years and will probably try to land him with less years. And if they don't get him... they don't get him. They have no need to over pay anywhere. 

 

The Twins on the other hand just might have to overpay in order to land Bumgarner because this is where our desperation is.

 

But... they do not have to add Donaldson because our offensive depth doesn't force desperation... especially with Larnach, Rooker, Kiriloff and Lewis knocking on the door. 

 

IMO... Josh Donaldson should be shopping for a place to live in Northern Virginia right about now.:)  

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 07:00 PM

 

I would rather see what it would take to get Trevor Story from Colorado. Move Polanco to 2B, Arraez to 3B, and Sano to 1B. Defense is much stronger with minimal impact on the offense.

I wonder what it would cost to get Story and Jon Gray from the rocks..

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 08:20 PM

I wonder what it would cost to get Story and Jon Gray from the rocks..


Baseball Trade Values suggests that Lewis, Balazovic and Rooker would be the same value.

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 10:21 PM

Please sign Josh. Let's make a lineup of hitting freaks. If we can't get a great SP might as well roll the dice on the offense. I'd watch that! 

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 10:44 PM

I want a pitcher but given the market, I'd float something like a 2/$60m contract to Donaldson and see if he bites.

 

Overpay for shorter years, see if he's interested. Players often overestimate their ability to not age (though obviously, their agents steer the other direction) so go that angle and see what happens.

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 11:02 PM

I think Donaldson would be a good addition. If we can't get one of the big time pitchers - and we can't - I think he'd be my first position player I'd want. But he's also probably out of our price range. I think the idea of trading or finding a few diamonds in the rough is the more likely scenario.


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Posted 15 December 2019 - 11:13 AM

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Posted 15 December 2019 - 11:46 AM

The Twins have not signed an elite SP because they would have to overpay to do so. I understand that and agree with it.I am afraid they would need to overpay to secure Donaldson as well.A 4 year deal is a deal breaker in my eyes. He is getting up there in age and he has had a history of injuries as well. I thought that signing Gregorious would have been a better signing than Donaldson. As good as defensively as the Donald is, Didi arguably would have a deeper impact on the defense. SS is the more important defensive position and it would have allowed Polanco to move to 2B and Arraez to 3B. Didi signed for "only" 14 M. If the Twins had signed him, that would have allowed more money for pitching than if they sign Donaldson. Oh well, that ship has sailed. On to plan B or C or whatever plan they are on now.


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Posted 15 December 2019 - 02:28 PM

Alex Anthopoulos was on Duquette's radio show and hinted he would be willing to go 4 years on Donaldson. I think he prefaced the statement that if the AAV came down a little he would be willing to go to 4 years. It was a few days ago and I don't remember exactly what he said but he did sound pretty determined to get him.


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Posted 15 December 2019 - 04:12 PM

Lol. If they can't beat 5/$85 for MadBaum there is zero chance they were ever serious about Donaldson.