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#1 Seth Stohs

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 01:22 AM

Day 1 of the Winter Meetings came and went. There was a major signing. Stephen Strasburg returned to the Nationals. But for the Twins and their fans, Day 1 was incredibly quiet. Maybe Day 2 will bring more rumors for discussion. Here is the place to discuss any Twins rumors throughout the day.It was a pretty quiet day, but here are some of the Day 1 Discussions:

Madison Bumgarner and Hyun-Jin Ryu

Shock and Awe were felt by most around baseball when new broke that Stephen Strasburg had an agreement to return to the Washington Nationals for seven years and $245 million. That was believed to be what the Yankees were going to offer Gerrit Cole. Now, we can only imagine what Cole (and Scott Boras) will command for his services .

But does the Strasburg contract affect what Bumgarner and Ryu will get? In my opinion, it shouldn't, though their agents certainly will try to tie it together. In reality, Bumgarner and Ryu are still more closely connected with Zack Wheeler's five-year, $118 million contract.

Bumgarner's side let it be known that they are now expecting five years and at least $100 million. That's understandable. The Phillies paid for what they hope Wheeler might become, but certainly hasn't been to this point. Bumgarner has every right to point out that he has actually been an ace in the past, and while that was a few years ago, he's earned a contract similar in length and dollars.

The Twins are one of about eight to ten teams to express interest in Bumgarner. The White Sox and Reds and Cardinals are among interested teams, and Bumgarner will meet with the Giants this week too.

It would seem that the Twins are interested in both, but maybe even slightly more interested in Ryu over Bumgarner, potentially because he might command fewer years due to his age.



But, What About...

While the teams appear to be focusing on Bumgarner and Ryu, Dallas Keuchel is again a free agent. He's about a year younger than Ryu.

Would the Twins consider jumping to Dallas Keuchel in an attempt to add a veteran starter of nearly the same ilk? Would Keuchel consider a one-year, $18 million deal (like Hamels did), or could he be available for two-years at $36 million, or even three years and $51 million? After his free agent experience a year ago, could he be interested in signing quickly this offseason?

As a side advantage to this, Keuchel would not cost the Twins a draft pick.
Just a thought...



The Twins could leave one rotation spot for one of their young starters, or they could fill in while Michael Pineda finishes his suspension.




First Base Internal Options

When Derek Falvey met with Twin Cities reporters, he said that Brent Rooker and Luke Raley could be first base options in spring training. And Alex Kirilloff is just a step behind them.




Isn't He Handsome?

The recently-engaged Rocco Baldelli ranked #1 in the Most Handsome Manager list, via Craig Calcaterra. So he's got that going for him.


A Romo Return?



There are several teams interested in Sergio Romo. He really helped stabilize the Twins bullpen after he was acquired from the Marlins at the July deadline. His slider generally proved really good. He won't cost much, so I don't think that it would be spendy to add him. The only concern is the 87 mph fastball and the home run ball. He's been successful, but he can be nerve-wracking.

Seems Romo is the only reliever that the Twins have been linked to in any way. One would think they might have interest in at adding at least one more veteran type. Then again, there have not been a lot of free agent reliever rumors to this point either. We haven't heard rumors regarding the likes of Will Harris or Daniel Hudson or Dellin Betances.


The Return of Wilfredo

According to reports, the Twins have signed infielder Wilfredo Tovar. He played nine games for the Mets in 2013-14 and returned to the big leagues for 31 games with the Angels in 2019. The 28-year-old played in 125 games for the Rochester Red Wings in 2016.


So there are some topics to get the Day 2 conversation started. Will there be more Twins rumors? Will there be any signings by the Twins? Will Tuesday be the day Gerrit Cole picks a team?

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#2 diehardtwinsfan

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 06:49 AM

Please say no to Keuchel. That one scares me. 

 

 

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 07:17 AM

Please just sign Cole, whatever it takes.It takes an ace to win a World Series these days and good pitching seems to always beat good hitting in the playoffs.Have not seen a pitcher I would want to get from a bad club at this time.And bad clubs are always looking for mistakes or overpays for their better talent.  


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Posted 10 December 2019 - 08:27 AM

At this point I say sit back and wait.We got done the 2 deals that needed to be done, in Pineda and Odorizzi.I honestly thought the Odorizzi deal was a slight overpay for a year, but the way this free agency is going, that is looking like a very good contract. The Pineda deal just befuddles me.He should have gotten much more than 2 for 20. I think really the way this market is going 2 for 27.5 (essentially 2.5 off for the suspension).  

 

The market could continue to be crazy which I think it will be for the top starters.I think we will be happy that we were able to get Odorizzi and Pineda back by the end of the week.Cole will go for crazy money, I think Bumgarner will go close to 96 million and Ryu at 84 for 4.If there is a deal I would do its Ryu but that is a lot of money for a slightly unreliable arm. 

 

I think once we get to the middle tier there will be value again.Right now I just don't think is ripe to pick off a top line starter.An opportunity will come, likely through trade sometime this year (assuming we are still in contention) then we can use some assets to get the arm we want.I would get incremental value on free agent signings with one more SP and 2 more RP.I would do an infielder, but Falvey is playing coy and acting like we will fill that from within.We will see.

 


#5 Seth Stohs

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 08:30 AM

 

Please say no to Keuchel. That one scares me. 

 

Out of curiosity, why would Keuchel scare you (or others) more than Ryu or Bumgarner?

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 08:48 AM

After seeing the Strasburg, Wheeler and Gibson contacts and Bumgarner's demands that were leaked yesterday I feel like the best course of action would be to pursue a trade with the fallback of not more than a 2 year contract for Keuchel if he'd agree to it. Bumgarner and Ryu are not worth overpaying for in AAV or Years so better to patch the rotation together with veteran mid rotation starters year to year until the prospects are ready or a better opportunity to sign or trade for an ace presents itself. 

 

Berrios, Odorizzi, Keuchel, Pineda and Dobnak would still be a very solid rotation. 

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:02 AM

Such a great point... 

 

 

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:11 AM

 

Out of curiosity, why would Keuchel scare you (or others) more than Ryu or Bumgarner?

 

The left side of the Twins infield.

 

If I'm paying good money, I want starting pitchers who can get outs all on their own.

 

Which is why I'm starting to lean toward signing Rich Hill.

 

Please everybody, don't kill me, I have a family!

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:12 AM

 

I'd like to know if Falvey specifically mentioned those names, or if Park mentioned these guys and Falvey agreed they were possibilities.

 

I wonder because I don't like that Graterol isn't included in that list. 

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:14 AM

 

Such a great point... 

 

Right...using Darvish, Ohtani, and Wheeler as examples of the Twins new willingness to sign free agents. The Cubs, Angels and Phillies concur.

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:22 AM

 

Such a great point... 

 

 

Darn. Pulling the wool over people's eyes and half-truths are my speciality. (crumples up Twins resume and throws in trash.)

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:28 AM

Phil Mackey wishes to call me and other fans morons. Fine.

I just do not understand how so many media figures in this market have such contempt for their fans.
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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:31 AM

Such a great point...


Being “in” on a player does nothing for me. Maybe other fans think it’s neat to read reports that the Twins spoke to Zack Wheeler. I’m not that fan.

A perfect way to eliminate this perception that the Twins never sign big time free agents is to actually sign one! Just one is a really, really good start.

The regime is different, but the tactics remain the same for free agency. Will I also get a bunch of positive press for continuing to go to a car dealership and offer $10,000 below MSRP to the salesman?
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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:34 AM

 

Out of curiosity, why would Keuchel scare you (or others) more than Ryu or Bumgarner?

 

He's a command/control guy without exceptional stuff... that goes, he goes, and at his age that's more likely than not.

 

I mentioned in another post that I'm not too excited about Ryu or Madbum either. I've soured more on MadBum especially due to Ted's recent piece. Ryu due to health. Right now, I'm probably on the Ryu bandwagon if Cole doesn't happen. 

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:36 AM

 

Such a great point... 

 

I will be absolutely floored if we sign Madbum, Kuechel or Ryu.

 

I don't think the predominant sentiment (at least on this site) is that the Twins are actively trying to make offers and get rejected to say "oh, we tried."I think we are in the agreement that they are more concerned with overpaying or "getting a good value" than they are with winning in 2020.

 

Sometimes you have to overpay to chase a championship when the window is open. I think most serious Twins fans would be okay with overpaying to sign Cole. Or Madbum. The understanding is that you won't be getting your money's worth for the whole length of that contract, but you had to overpay to outbid other teams, and it's worth it if you really need elite SP in 2020-2021.  

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:40 AM

Phil Mackey wishes to call me and other fans morons. Fine.

I just do not understand how so many media figures in this market have such contempt for their fans.


Well, a few fans probably make it pretty easy for him to feel this way.
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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:41 AM

I mean, look at how badly we needed a starting pitcher in the ALDS.
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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:42 AM

Well, a few fans probably make it pretty easy for him to feel this way.

Agree. But it’s Twitter and he needs to take it with a grain of salt.
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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:47 AM

 

Such a great point... 

 

Good enough... But Falvey is the one who said the Twins "will strike" when the window is open. The fans didn't say that, Falvey did.....So if the Twins sign no new starters, are you going to apologize?

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:49 AM

I understand the interest in Bumgarner from a standpoint of age and playoff success. I understand the worry about Ryu's injury history.

 

But over the past few years, Ryu has been one of the. most. effective. pitchers. in all of baseball. That's gotta count for something, right?

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