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#21 SpantheMan

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 11:47 PM

Whatever they do the twins should be paying more so that they don't have to give up as many good prospects

#22 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:35 AM

I fully expect this to happen. And I fully expect to be depressed about it and reiterate that this is what happens when you concentrate on winning now and not building a quality organization.


JR has a track record of prizing his prospects to the point of fault. I wouldn't worry too much about him blowing up what is becoming a rather strong farm system for three years of overpriced Mark Buerhle. That's not to say the Twins don't find a way to acquire him but I don't think JR is willing to give away a Hicks/Arcia/Sano to do it.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:44 AM

Give up a switch hitting, defensive centerfielder for Mark Buehle (version 2013); I'll pass. Now if they eat salary and want someone like Vargas I may be interested.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:47 AM

Marlins need a 1B. A deal for Buerhle would center around Parmalee I suspect. The big question is how much will Florida pay in his salary? 20 Million? and in that case what if anything else would we have to give up for him or get with him to balance out the trade?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:21 AM

Marlins need a 1B. A deal for Buerhle would center around Parmalee I suspect. The big question is how much will Florida pay in his salary? 20 Million? and in that case what if anything else would we have to give up for him or get with him to balance out the trade?


If they took Parmelee and $20 million, I would certainly hope nothing else would be needed. I'm assuming this wouldn't be a deal the Twins would do unless it's actually a deal that primarily gives the Marlins salary relief. And the Twins would be a great trading partner in that case, because it's not like the Marlins would be dealing him to a conference or league competitor.

#26 YourHouseIsMyHouse

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:34 AM

Morneau for Buehrle straight up?

#27 TheLeviathan

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:54 PM

JR has a track record of prizing his prospects to the point of fault. I wouldn't worry too much about him blowing up what is becoming a rather strong farm system for three years of overpriced Mark Buerhle. That's not to say the Twins don't find a way to acquire him but I don't think JR is willing to give away a Hicks/Arcia/Sano to do it.


I want to believe that, but public pressure and budget availability leave me a bit worried.

#28 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:34 PM

JR has a track record of prizing his prospects to the point of fault. I wouldn't worry too much about him blowing up what is becoming a rather strong farm system for three years of overpriced Mark Buerhle. That's not to say the Twins don't find a way to acquire him but I don't think JR is willing to give away a Hicks/Arcia/Sano to do it.


I want to believe that, but public pressure and budget availability leave me a bit worried.


He has a 15 year track record of not making that move. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

In fact, JR has proven incredibly adept at giving up absolutely nothing and getting something in return for it. Has any player he traded turned out to be a good acquisition for the receiving team?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:41 PM

[quote name='Brock Beauchamp'][quote name='TheLeviathan'][quote name='Brock Beauchamp']JR has a track record of prizing his prospects to the point of fault. I wouldn't worry too much about him blowing up what is becoming a rather strong farm system for three years of overpriced Mark Buerhle. That's not to say the Twins don't find a way to acquire him but I don't think JR is willing to give away a Hicks/Arcia/Sano to do it.[/QUOTE]

I want to believe that, but public pressure and budget availability leave me a bit worried.[/QUOTE]

He has a 15 year track record of not making that move. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

In fact, JR has proven incredibly adept at giving up absolutely nothing and getting something in return for it. Has any player he traded turned out to be a good acquisition for the receiving team?[/QUOTE]
aj? hardy?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:15 PM

[quote name='johnnydakota'][quote name='Brock Beauchamp'][quote name='TheLeviathan'][quote name='Brock Beauchamp']JR has a track record of prizing his prospects to the point of fault. I wouldn't worry too much about him blowing up what is becoming a rather strong farm system for three years of overpriced Mark Buerhle. That's not to say the Twins don't find a way to acquire him but I don't think JR is willing to give away a Hicks/Arcia/Sano to do it.[/QUOTE]

I want to believe that, but public pressure and budget availability leave me a bit worried.[/QUOTE]

He has a 15 year track record of not making that move. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

In fact, JR has proven incredibly adept at giving up absolutely nothing and getting something in return for it. Has any player he traded turned out to be a good acquisition for the receiving team?[/QUOTE]
aj? hardy?[/QUOTE]

Remember that AJ Pierzynski was sent to San Francisco for only one year. He did okay, but he was far better with the Sux, who signed him in free agency. Also, we got Nathan, Liriano, and a scrub (Boof) in that trade as well as made room for Mauer. I'd do that again every day and twice on Sunday.

And Hardy was traded by Bill Smith.

#31 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:38 PM

aj? hardy?


The Giants hated AJ and Hardy was traded by Smith.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:17 AM

He has one trade where he got serious impact players back. So ya, he often trades nothing, but he often gets nothing super meaningful in return. This team has no pitching. It has none close in the minors other than Gibson. At some point, he is going to have to trade valuable assets, or pay serious money.

#33 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:27 AM

He has one trade where he got serious impact players back. So ya, he often trades nothing, but he often gets nothing super meaningful in return. This team has no pitching. It has none close in the minors other than Gibson. At some point, he is going to have to trade valuable assets, or pay serious money.


Shannon Stewart was an impact player. Rick Reed was unspectacular but definitely brought something to the team.

Ryan is going to have to give up something to get something but I only chimed into this thread because Levi was worried he was going to overpay for mediocrity. Given Ryan's record, I don't think that should be a real concern.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:35 AM

Even Boof made it to the majors and showed some promise. That might be one of the best trades in the modern baseball era. Second only to the swap of 125,000 (1.45 million today) for this something named Babe Ruth.

#35 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:06 AM

Even Boof made it to the majors and showed some promise. That might be one of the best trades in the modern baseball era. Second only to the swap of 125,000 (1.45 million today) for this something named Babe Ruth.


Ryne Sandberg for a bucket of balls and a futility guy was also a better trade.