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#21 ashbury

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 09:29 PM

It's all fun and games until the breaking stuff is called a strike. :)

I'd have to check, whether any of this drum banging occurred with two strikes.

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 09:47 PM

 

I'd have to check, whether any of this drum banging occurred with two strikes.

 

Not sure what provoked this memory, but, here's a bad yet hilarious video.

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 08:44 AM

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#24 dex8425

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 09:07 AM

After reviewing the video footage, it's so obvious that something was going on. Even Farquhar caught it. The Astros couldn't have been that concerned about getting caught.

 

Instead of banging on a trashcan in the dugout, why not have a small receiver inside the batter's helmet? Put it underneath the foam pads so you couldn't see it when Polanco loses his helmet. How about a vibrating receiver that looks like a heart rate monitor underneath the batter's clothes? There are so many possibilities that would be difficult to detect that make me think all teams are stealing signs with technology. There is so much money at stake.

 

I'd love to think sign stealing with tech is not going on, but it's so easy to do with wifi and high speed pan and zoom cameras today. Heck, my wyze security cameras are 20 bucks each, they are pretty small, and they can relay what's going on at my house to any phone anywhere 24/7. 


#25 Mike Sixel

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 09:24 AM

I hate sign stealing. It's not part of the play, but outside it. But there is virtually no way to eliminate it, alas.
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Posted 13 November 2019 - 09:51 AM

 

I hate sign stealing. It's not part of the play, but outside it. But there is virtually no way to eliminate it, alas.

You could use encrypted electronic communication between the bench, catcher, and pitcher.

 

if we’re going to replace umpires with technology we might as well go all in.

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 10:06 AM

 

You could use encrypted electronic communication between the bench, catcher, and pitcher.

 

if we’re going to replace umpires with technology we might as well go all in.

 

I like the idea, but it would be a significant change in the game in that the catcher would no longer be calling pitches as obviously the batter could hear him talking.

 

But really, if teams were OK with breaking the mold, I'd think a pitching coach would more often than not be the ideal person to make the calls anyway.

 

I might expect a small possibility of a drastic swing away from offense in the game as unlike the catcher, the pitching coach or whomever is calling pitches, would have real time analytics at his fingertips. I'd be interested in seeing how it plays out though.


#28 Craig Arko

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 10:32 AM

 

I like the idea, but it would be a significant change in the game in that the catcher would no longer be calling pitches as obviously the batter could hear him talking.

 

But really, if teams were OK with breaking the mold, I'd think a pitching coach would more often than not be the ideal person to make the calls anyway.

 

I might expect a small possibility of a drastic swing away from offense in the game as unlike the catcher, the pitching coach or whomever is calling pitches, would have real time analytics at his fingertips. I'd be interested in seeing how it plays out though.

Yes, the bench would actually be calling the pitches.

 

It's another fine step into turning baseball into a video game.

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM

 

 

Not sure what provoked this memory, but, here's a bad yet hilarious video.

If you watch carefully, it's clear that the bongo player is signaling something to the singer -- perhaps about the arrival of the floating motorcycle lady? In any case, this should prevent Marc Bolan from ever getting into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame.

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 10:36 AM

Do more “quick pitches”

Problem solved.

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#31 gman

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 07:15 PM

Everybody wears a tech watch these days. Relay the pitch selection to the batter via speaker in the watch. Oh wait a moment, that's not to subtle.


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Posted 14 November 2019 - 12:37 PM

The fact that the Astros are doing an internal investigation is laughable... Hopefully Manfred drops a hammer on them with significant fines, loss of draft picks and IFA pool money.
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Posted 14 November 2019 - 01:48 PM

The fact that there is, in fact, no way to enforce sign-stealing (of the non-electronic variety) is precisely why the teams are responsible to change/improve/conceal methods of delivering signs.

 

Also, I think stealing pitch signs is over-rated. For instance, there's current internet chatter about 'forgiving' Darvish for his performance in the 2017 WS coming off this news. Except, Darvish got hammered in game 7...at Dodger stadium. Even when signs are being stolen, there's seldom opportunity where the batter can be 100% sure the signs haven't been changed since the last mound visit or last half-inning. And you still don't know the location. Meanwhile, great hitters can guess speed and location with a pretty high degree of accuracy, without stealing signs. Many have even said they don't want the information, feeling it will just screw them up when, inevitably sooner or later, it will be wrong.

 

Having said that, using center-field cameras should be enforceable, and should not go unpunished, IMO.

 

Note: it's my understanding that this can't be accomplish via center-field broadcast images due to the several second time-delay for broadcasts. Have to deploy a closed-circuit system.

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 02:18 PM

 

The fact that the Astros are doing an internal investigation is laughable... Hopefully Manfred drops a hammer on them with significant fines, loss of draft picks and IFA pool money.

The 29 other teams are doing it too. If they are going to punish one team, they need to punish them all.

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#35 Mike Sixel

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 04:57 PM

 

The 29 other teams are doing it too. If they are going to punish one team, they need to punish them all.

 

We don't know at all that is true. Estimates I've read put it at 5-7 more teams using technology.....If it is a rule, it should be enforced. Otherwise, get rid of the rule.

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 06:23 PM

The 29 other teams are doing it too. If they are going to punish one team, they need to punish them all.


Seems odd that Danny Farquhar would complain about it if his team was doing it too.
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#37 ashbury

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 11:57 AM

 

Not sure what provoked this memory, but, here's a bad yet hilarious video.

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#38 Hrbowski

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 12:31 PM

I also find it humorous that the Astros were a better offensive team on the road in 2017...

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#39 Vanimal46

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 01:07 PM

I also find it humorous that the Astros were a better offensive team on the road in 2017...


You don't think they had a system on the road?

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#40 Hrbowski

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 05:24 PM

 

You don't think they had a system on the road?

Wouldn't be possible to operate their own camera on the road like they could at home. TV broadcasts are delayed several seconds from real time, so they couldn't just use any old TV stream. Few stadiums allow seating in the batters eye, so it would typically be impossible to have a scout relaying signs from the stands. So yeah, I doubt they had a system on the road other than the more orthodox systems of sign stealing such as from the first base coach's box.

I hate Trevor Bauer.