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#21 Rosterman

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 02:50 PM

Well, trading away four pieces that if the Red Sox can put them on the field in their lineup and stay competitive, then why can't the Twins do the same. Betts over Rosario, for one year? Yes, getting Price for only 3 years rather than signing a Price-like free agent for 5-7 years is what the Astros do so well. But Bala has such promise. I would rather roll the dice on Graterol than Balaz being redy in another season, than $90 million on Price at this point. I don't see Price being the one to ensure us a World Series day.

 

Gordon will start at AAA but should be numebr one for a call up if anyone in the infield goes dow. Or maybe he does bump Adrianza out of a job. Or proves to be a more valuable addition to the roster than third catcher Austildo.

 

We lose Sano and stuck with Cron at first. Gonzalez at third? 

 

Yes, the Twins can take on the salary dump of someone else. Yes, that team would want players that they can pencil in. But if the players to pencil in are in demand by a team like the Red Sox, then the Twins better reevaluate their own take on prospects.

 

Off-season 2019 may be the time to move Rosario and Sano. You'd like to think they will increase in value (as well as payroll cost). But what if they don't. Are they worth prime players now?

 

The flip for Gray brings to mind a reent post on mlbtraderumors about the Padres being such a rich farm system that they are in the hunt for trading future talent for major league talent. I would think the Twins are in a very similar position.

 

 

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#22 TwinkieTownKiller

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 02:50 PM

If that's the cost to trade for Gray then you do that tomorrow. I highly doubt it though, Rockies are going to snag as much young pitching as possible if they're making trades.


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Posted 12 November 2019 - 06:47 PM

I don't know if I'd trade Balazovic for Price straight up. Probably not. As you say he's not an ace and is on the downswing, and is expensive. Balazovic has very high upside and will be cheap for years.  

 

If Price were an ace who could make you a favorite in a playoff series, maybe, but what starting pitcher on a playoff team would he be favored against?

 

One year of Betts at least has appeal, because he could be a difference maker in the playoffs. But then he's gone. Maybe Polanco and Sano? But only because they have question marks. Either or both could make this deal look very one sided, starting in one year and lasting well into the decade. 

 

At least that's a genuine win-now move, though, unlike Price. But it still seems like a lot of downside and only limited upside. 

 

I get the rationale for acquirin both because getting Betts is pointless unless you seriously upgrade the rotation. I just don't think he's an ace.

 

Let's see them land an ace or two, and then I'll start getting interested in win-now moves. But adding Betts to a team whose second best pitcher is ... I don't even know, is more of a sinking feeling than a thrill to me.


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Posted 12 November 2019 - 07:20 PM

absolutely not to number 1... 


#25 specialiststeve

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 10:06 PM

 #1... Trade Eddie Rosario, Miguel Sano, Jordan Balazovic and Nick Gordon to the Boston Red Sox for OF Mookie Betts and LHP David Price ...... NO WAY!!!!!!! Redsox do immediately if offered.... 

 

 

#2....

1B C.J. Cron ($4 million, arb 3) Yep
3B Miguel Sano ($2.65 million, arb 2) Yep
INF Ehire Adrianza ($1.3 million, arb 4) Yep
OF Eddie Rosario ($4.19 million, arb 2) Yep
OF Byron Buxton ($1.75 million, arb 2) Yep
SP Jose Berrios ($620,000, arb 1) Yep
RP Taylor Rogers ($1.525 million, arb 2) Yep
RP Trevor May ($900,000, arb 3) Yep
RP Sam Dyson ($5 million, arb 4)  Goner

 

#3 As stated by someone... not going to happen for that number 36 "may" get us 2 years... more likely 50 million for 3 years.... I would still do that.... 

 

#4 Sign RHP Sergio Romo for one year, $3 million... if he would take that we should do it.... 

 

# 5 Sign Kyle Barraclough for one year, $1 million... Nah... have too many young arms to shuttle back and forth... 

 

# 6 Trade OF Akil Baddoo and 2B/3B/OF Travis Blankenhorn to the Rockies for RHP Jon Gray.... As stated by someone.. in a heartbeat if they would do... not likely. They would be wanting pitching coming back.... Would depend on what they would want.... Duran and one of the two? I do... Abritration eligable this and next year and FA in '22... Has Ace stuff... maybe here he puts it together....

 


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Posted 13 November 2019 - 08:09 AM

Mookie Betts and David Price might cost just Buxton and a prospect if the Twins are to take all that $, but should the Twins do it?Price's contract is a bit too rich ($32 per for the next 3 seasons until his age 36 season) and might prohibit extensions that they should make (Sano, Rogers, May etc.)Betts is a very expensive rental.Paying close to $70 million for just these 2 makes no sense for the Twins.They might be able to get both Cole and Strasburg for that money...

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 08:51 AM

No talk of Rooker? I just watched him here in Japan. He's one of the few players who is hitting on team USA. He also didn't butcher any plays in the outfield which could not be said for the other outfielders who botched two fly balls. (BTW, Team USA did beat Japan 4-3 despite their sloppy play.)

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 12:03 PM

I like the concept of #1. Go for it in 2020...and the outfield cavalry (Kiriloff, etc) is coming for 2021. It would be bold to say the least. And it could work. But..

 

...you only addressed a relatively small portion of your pitching issues...meanwhile, you've created a second hole on the infield. And you've tied up a huge portion of available capital in doing so. To me, if you're going to do something as risky as this, it needs to directly address the biggest opportunity. And for the Twins, that's not an outfielder (even assuming Rosario can't improve on 2019), and it's not a number 2 or 3 starter...it's a stud at the top of the rotation. Does that mean you do nothing if that deal is not there? No. But it also doesn't mean you should feel the need to make a similarly huge/risky move where the payoff wouldn't be the same. That's what this deal would feel like to me.


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Posted 13 November 2019 - 12:31 PM

Sano to Boston?

 

Kind of an "Ortiz version 2"....

 

I'll pass.

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 01:10 PM

I like big Betts and I cannot lie.

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 01:28 PM

Love the concept of a Betts trade centered around Rosario + a prospect or two. Not interested in attaching David Price to any deal or dealing Sano.

Would be open to including Balazovic IF they went nuts and brought back Odorizzi plus two of the first or second tier FA starting pitchers as the rotation would be 4/5 locked down for the next three years and that kind of upgrade plus Betts would be a huge sign that they intend to go for a WS title in 2020. The thought of a Betts, Buxton, Kepler OF is very very exciting.

I’d propose Rosario + 1 of Larnach, Rooker or Jeffers + 1 of Sands, Colina, Enlow + Nick Gordon.

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 04:03 PM

 

I don't know if I'd trade Balazovic for Price straight up. Probably not. As you say he's not an ace and is on the downswing, and is expensive. Balazovic has very high upside and will be cheap for years.  

 

If Price were an ace who could make you a favorite in a playoff series, maybe, but what starting pitcher on a playoff team would he be favored against?

 

One year of Betts at least has appeal, because he could be a difference maker in the playoffs. But then he's gone. Maybe Polanco and Sano? But only because they have question marks. Either or both could make this deal look very one sided, starting in one year and lasting well into the decade. 

 

At least that's a genuine win-now move, though, unlike Price. But it still seems like a lot of downside and only limited upside. 

 

I get the rationale for acquirin both because getting Betts is pointless unless you seriously upgrade the rotation. I just don't think he's an ace.

 

Let's see them land an ace or two, and then I'll start getting interested in win-now moves. But adding Betts to a team whose second best pitcher is ... I don't even know, is more of a sinking feeling than a thrill to me.

 

Polaco and Sano?

 

You'd trade your starting left side of your infield, one of which is a great hitter and all star, and the other one has the most power in your organization for a corner outfielder that you only have control of for one year?

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Posted 13 November 2019 - 06:31 PM

A chance at Betts is the only scenario where I’d even consider dealing Buxton, although it’s still unlikely.

However, I do think Boston is the right team to pair up with for a trade, but ultimately I don’t think Betts is the best fit given our dire need for starting pitching and the fact that the FO has stated that they’re looking for “impact pitching.” If it weren’t for Price’s price tag I’d definitely be interested in aquiring him, but since that’s not the case and he’s starting to show some age I’d encourage the FO to look into making an offer for Eduardo Rodriguez. Coming off a breakout season, he’s positioned himself as the 3rd best left handed starter on the market (behind Ray and MadBum) and still has 2 years on control left. The FO has more than enough prospects to deal from, all they got to do is make the right offer.

Given the expectation that Betts will leave (or be traded), I’m guessing either AK or Larnach will have to be the center piece of a much larger package that could include Thorpe, Gordon, and Enlow.



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