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#21 Steve Lein

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 11:05 AM

Given the space available, I'm adding at least 7 names, for me they would be:

 

Jhoan Duran

Dakota Chalmers

Luke Raley

Gilberto Celestino

Luis Rijo

Travis Blankenhorn

Wander Javier

 

Can make cases for Jax and Hackimer as well, and I would love to see Reed. 

 

MLB roster is already stacked at 1B/Corner OF/DH options, hard to justify adding guys like Wiel, even though I like him too.

 

Unlike last year, I don't think there are guys I'd expect to be taken that can't be protected, though the 26th man may mess with that thought process a little.

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#22 bfd13

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 12:06 PM

Watched several games at Cedar Rapids. Completely unimpressed with Javier. He's still very raw and undisciplined. He looks like he's several years away from the majors, if he'll ever get there.

Was much more impressed with Rijo. His pitches have life and he has some idea on how to use them. I think he could evolve into a nice bullpen arm at the big league level.

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 12:58 PM

You protect the top-end international guys. You just do. (The fact that they become rule-5 eligible at such a ridiculously early point in their development, is a topic unto itself.) But it's about the ceiling. And especially in the day of tanking teams and 26-man rosters, more of these types will be targeted.

 

Has Javier played his way out of being defined as a 'top-end' guy? Not in my book...yet. But it's reasonable IMO if one draws a different conclusion.

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#24 108Stitches

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 01:06 PM

I think you have to protect Tyler Wells. He was just too damn good before his TJ surgery. Most others I agree with though.
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#25 Shaitan

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 01:24 PM

Javier is a really interesting case.


#26 Seth Stohs

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 02:08 PM

 

Javier is a really interesting case.

 

 I am very curious what they do with him... About 4 million reasons to protect him, but 40-man spots are really valuable. 


#27 Seth Stohs

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 02:11 PM

 

I think you have to protect Tyler Wells. He was just too damn good before his TJ surgery. Most others I agree with though.

 

Another interesting case. While he was the TD Minor League SP of the Year in 2018, I don't know if he ever has reached that kind of prospect status that makes him a guy that would be taken to sit a year. But teams should probably do their due diligence on him. 

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#28 Mike Sixel

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 03:07 PM

 

I hope Falvey has asked his people to identify those teams who are thin in MLB-ready OF depth such as Cave, Raley, and Wade, with the idea of a low minors high ceiling prospect return.

 

The Twins were one of those needy teams when the Yanks talked them out of Luis Gil in exchange for Cave. Gil is now NYY's 4th-ranked prospect, albeit in a so-so pipeline.

 

This is the type of trade I want to see from this FO. Sellers whenever possible, from their own modest surplus into another team's more urgent need. Gordon and Cave clearing space on the 40-man roster. Pitching the bubble guys to other teams when you don't have a spot, guys like Raley, Blankenhorn, Wiel, maybe Poppen, Jax or Smeltzer if you're not sold on them and expect Thorpe, Duran, Ober, Colina, and Balazovic to pass them by...

 

Concur. 100%.

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#29 Mike Sixel

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 03:08 PM

 

 I am very curious what they do with him... About 4 million reasons to protect him, but 40-man spots are really valuable. 

 

the money they spent is irrelevant at this point. Will he be taken? Does it matter?

 

I'm going with no, he will not be taken, and rolling the dice. 

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#30 Seth Stohs

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 03:33 PM

 

the money they spent is irrelevant at this point. Will he be taken? Does it matter?

 

I'm going with no, he will not be taken, and rolling the dice. 

 

I tend to agree... I think that's why I have him down in the On the Bubble. I think they'll add 6-7 and have him at that level, so it's a coin flip. I just think he's so talented, I'm sure they don't want to lose him... 

The other part about 'rolling the dice' is that even if the are taken, about half of them end up coming back too. 

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 03:43 PM

I'm Definitely adding Duran, Chalmers, Blankenhorn, Raley and Jax. They are all AA-AAA players and more likely to get taken than anyone at FM or below. Celestino and Javier give me pause because of talent level as does Wiel because he's so close already.

 

I say, Make a trade that includes some of these before the Rule 5 draft and we don't have to worry about a numbers crunch.

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#32 Seth Stohs

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 04:17 PM

 

I'm Definitely adding Duran, Chalmers, Blankenhorn, Raley and Jax. They are all AA-AAA players and more likely to get taken than anyone at FM or below. Celestino and Javier give me pause because of talent level as does Wiel because he's so close already.

 

I say, Make a trade that includes some of these before the Rule 5 draft and we don't have to worry about a numbers crunch.

 

The trade idea always sounds great... until you trade Nick Anderson away... Ha!

 

But I do agree with that, in theory. 

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 04:41 PM

My 40-man adds look like this:

 

Luis Rijo - just so we can continue to compare him to Gil
Jhoan Duran - Big Arm and a Falvine acquisition
Griffin Jax - Think he'd get picked up by the Marlins and dealt at deadline
Jovani Moran - young LHR (no other reason)

 

Wander Javier - POT (as in big potential)
Travis Blankenhorn - plays and looks like a left handed hitting Justin Turner...hope he's that kind of late bloomer

Gilberto Celestino - should bust out this summer also Falvine Acquisition
Luke Raley - medium aged OF insurance (or we can fast forward those guys a couple years younger)

 

I'd part ways with the following:

Harper - the book has been written and all the teams have it

Hildy - lost the confidence to fool batters...I wonder if he's not tipping pitches

Poppen - not as fresh anymore

Cron - I hope the surgery does wonders for him...too high ARB$$ to keep around

 

Bringing my total to 35....leaving FA room for 3 starters a reliever and backup catcher

 

I'll wait for another topic for freeing up some spots via trades...

Which will have to happen when you look at next years R5 group

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Here's a picture (which in this case is worth 210 words) of my 40-man roster Sheet

 

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#34 Wax off

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 04:50 PM

I think Zander Wiel is a better option over CJ Cron mainly because of the money. He looks ready to go, he's won multiple awards in the system. What more do you want, he's RIPENED? Time to harvest!
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#35 Seth Stohs

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 05:31 PM

 

I think Zander Wiel is a better option over CJ Cron mainly because of the money. He looks ready to go, he's won multiple awards in the system. What more do you want, he's RIPENED? Time to harvest!

 

What awards has he won in the system?

 

He's a good player, no doubt... Solid at 1B. Can hit a bit, extra base pop. Solid player. 

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 06:35 PM

Some math:

 

31 - Hildenberger and Ryan Harper = 29

+ 2 starters, + 2 relievers + 1 catcher = 34

 

That leaves 6 open spots.

 

I don't see Rijo getting claimed from Cedar Rapids.Chalmers is a career 4.00 ERA, 1.400 WHIP pitcher with fewer than 22 innings at high A.He is not going anywhere.Same with Celestino who has only 6 high A games under his belt.Someone might be tempted by Javier but he is still pretty raw and hasn't stepped in a single high A game.Not going anywhere. Blackenhorn is a player without a position and likely projects as a corner OF, who is just getting familiar with the position and might just not have the bat for the position.Does not fit the Rule 5 pick profile.

 

Jax is a must to protect.In his first full season as a pro player he had a 2.67 ERA and 1.10 WHIP in AA.Outside chance for an end of the rotation spot after ST. 

 

5 spots left

 

Duran has to get protected.Someone will take a Johan-like chance at him

 

4 spots left

 

Raley is MLB-ready and provides the Twins with a RH OF bat who can play CF.They probably need him more than Cave.

 

3 spots left, which might allow them some flexibility or keep Ryan Harper

So for me is Jax, Duran, and Raley only

 

 

 

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#37 Danchat

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 07:01 PM

My humble opinion:

 

Givens:

RHP Jhoan Duran

2B/3B Travis Blankenhorn

 

Duran has high upside and Blankenhorn has a chance to become a starting infielder in the near future. Both should be easy adds to the 40 man roster.

 

Likely to Add:

RHP Griffin Jax

OF Luke Raley

RHP Tom Hackimer

 

Jax is one of those pitchers who stuffs the statline in the minors, but you have to wonder if he has the pitches to make it in the big leagues. I'd rather give him a chance to prove himself instead of letting another team draft him. Luke Raley is a borderline guy who probably won't end up as a starter, but might become a strong bench bat. I wouldn't hate it if they didn't add him, as I think he could make it through the Rule 5 draft. Hackimer put up some good numbers at AA last year and might wind up pitching the Twins at some point in 2020. He may be getting old, but nowadays it seems like relievers are breaking through at the MLB level in their late 20s.

 

Likely not to add:

CF Gilberto Celestino

INF Wander Javier

RHP Dakota Chalmers

 

I don't think Celestino and Javier are going to get drafted, they're simply not close to being ready and had poor seasons last season. I just can't see a team plucking Javier and wasting a whole season he needs in the minors on a major league bench. Celestino had a good final month, but he's several years away at this point. I would guess they'd need to protect him next year.

 

Chalmers has put his name on this list thanks to his play in the Fall League, but I don't think he's got a good enough track record to get poached.

 

 

No thanks:

1B Zander Wiel

RHP Jake Reed

 

Wiel's stats look good, until you examine the aggregate and realize his numbers were actually below-average for AAA hitters. Anybody with a pulse can hit for .800+ OPS there. I like the guy, but he's in no danger of being drafted. Jake Reed probably should have been given a shot a couple years ago, but this front office clearly doesn't think much of him. He also had a poor 2019 season with the juiced ball ruining things for him. I would be fine if he's released at some point.

 

I originally thought this list was going to be much longer, but with Stashak, Alcala, Graterol all on the 40 man and Davis & Diaz traded away, there's no longer a logjam. 

 

Edited by Danchat, 05 November 2019 - 07:03 PM.

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#38 Mike Sixel

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 07:36 PM

I think Chalmers gets claimed...a former top pick who could be a RP for a bad team next year. I probably protect him due to having space.

I protect Jax and Duran for sure. Everyone else? I'm not sure it matters....
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Posted 05 November 2019 - 08:09 PM

8 players is a ton to add. I don't think that's a smart use of limited resources. 4, maybe 5 is fine to add. This is the time to save the other 40 man spots for trades and free agent signings.

roster is at 31 and you need to fill 3 starting pitchers and an infielder that will most likely come from outside the organization. You can protect maximum of 5, and I’d like to see a late inning reliever brought in too, making it 4.

I’d like to see a couple of these assets traded.
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Posted 05 November 2019 - 08:13 PM

I think Chalmers gets claimed...a former top pick who could be a RP for a bad team next year. I probably protect him due to having space.

I protect Jax and Duran for sure. Everyone else? I'm not sure it matters....

agreed, I’d add Blankenhorn. He’s getting close and this org is very thin at 3B.
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