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#21 jctwins

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 11:49 PM

Being at this game, this fan base is pathetic. They cheer cheer cheer every terrible bullpen pitcher when they announce his name, and they stand with blank looks in the urinal line during the game rather than being pissed off at how terrible this team played.

 

Then after the game the resounding opinion is "well shoot it was a fun season and they weren't supposed to be this good."

 

Not only does this team not know how to win, this fan base doesn't know how to expect winning.

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 11:49 PM

This one really stings.It reminds me of the 2006 season - a team that was a ton of fun to watch and exceeded everyone's expectations - entered the playoffs with a roar and exited in 3 games with a whimper, though that time to Oakland.

 

To me, what makes these series with the Yankees so maddening is that not only are they the better team, but every break, every call and every bounce seems to go their way when we play them in the postseason, and the Twins don't help themselves with their habit of self-inflicted injuries.(Cave, what in God's name were you thinking diving for that ball.)

 

And I can't stand hearing about how brilliant the Yankee pitching was.Yeah, they were good, but a lot of it was just bad at-bats by the Twins. Flailing away at garbage way out of the zone, fouling off destroyable pitches, we made their 3 serviceable starters look like Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz 2.0.

 

Rosario, Arraez and Polanco were the only 3 guys that didn't consistently look clueless and helpless at the plate.Garver, Sano and Kepler were particularly disappointing. 

 

Oh well, hopefully this is an experience that they learn from, and they come back hungry in the spring.And we spend some money on pitching - we just don't have the arms to compete in October right now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 11:57 PM

Not leaving Berrios in to start the 5th in game 1 (after only 88 pitches and a 1-2-3 4th on 12) with the game tied, and the pitchers he didn't use in a close and tied game, and starting the Uber driver for game 2 instead of a professional like Odorizzi.......... some of the managerial/front office choices I will never forgive or forget. Some process. 

 

Snow forecast for the Twin Cities this weekend? That would have been lovely.

 

Edited by h2oface, 08 October 2019 - 12:02 AM.

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#24 howeda7

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 12:00 AM

 

Being at this game, this fan base is pathetic. They cheer cheer cheer every terrible bullpen pitcher when they announce his name, and they stand with blank looks in the urinal line during the game rather than being pissed off at how terrible this team played.

 

Then after the game the resounding opinion is "well shoot it was a fun season and they weren't supposed to be this good."

 

Not only does this team not know how to win, this fan base doesn't know how to expect winning.

I get the frustration, but the notion that the fans being angrier would change anything management does is a stretch. Even in a play-off game, most of the 40,000 there are fairly casual fans who don't live and die with every at bat. 

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 12:03 AM

Had the Twins played (and been managed) this way for the first two games, we'd be looking at a game four.

 

Nevermind that I wouldn't be so effing angry right now.

 

I like Baldelli but he needs to be better next season. I glossed over some of his weaker points but he walked such a different game than he talked that SOMEONE needs to call it out and he needs to learn from the experience.

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 12:29 AM

Yankees made many a grat play.

 

Allowing a routine single to be a double, bad.

 

Not scoring with bases loaded no outs, bad.

 

Not batting Arraez leadoff, bad.

 

Expecting more than a couple of outs from Romo against a powerhouse lineup, bad.

 

Rostering players NOT 100%, bad.

 

I shake my head at keeping prospects instead of getting a solid starter and a true closer. Hope those prospects will pan out in the future and not just become minor league free agents or Rule 5 draftees. Hey, can always use another 100 grand, right?

 

But the team had a great year. And it was a team of fine players, meshing on the field, playing their heart out, taking series, avoiding losing streaks, setting a home run record. A rookie manager, a good stadium experience for fans in attendance. 100+ wins. Who would've thunk back in spring training!

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#27 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 12:45 AM

 

Not batting Arraez leadoff, bad.

Uh, but why? The guy is predetermined to bat leadoff literally once a game. It's not as if the Twins struggled to get people on base, they just flat-out failed to drive them home.


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Posted 08 October 2019 - 12:50 AM

I want to face the Yankees in the postseason next year and every other year, and that the front office and the coaching staff need to focus more on building a team that can beat the Yankees.

 

I hope for better pitching, better situational hitting and better defense. And Buxton needs to be more careful when he is close to the wall. I think that a healthy Buxton would have helped a lot.

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 01:09 AM

 

coinciding with moving to the DC area, I’m just not sure I’m going to be investing this kind of time into this team. I probably read every minor league report this year and watched most games.

It’s one thing if we’re losing in games 4 or 5 of the ALDS every year. Competitive. A bounce here or there. A clearly high ball four to garver on a pitch four feet away from the target here or there. A Yankee not catching one of our 108 mph laser beams here or there.

But we get swept every year. It’s clear we only build to compete for the central. Never for the title. We don’t draft and develop pitching. We don’t trade for it. We don’t sign it.

Why bother.

Rant over. Have a good offseason. I’m off to become a nats fan I guess.

 

 

My brother and his wife lived in D.C. for a decade. I enjoy the Nats and consider them my NL team. If post-season futility is your bag, then by all means choose them. You'll feel right at home. 

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 01:13 AM

One thing the Yankees have going for them is a relatively competitive division. It helps that their 104 wins came against decent teams (Baltimore aside). 

 

Also, sample size is a thing. We had a winning record against the Astros this year, but none of us would have realistically expected to beat them in a playoff series. Unfortunately we didn't have it for this series. 

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 01:19 AM

 

One thing the Yankees have going for them is a relatively competitive division. It helps that their 104 wins came against decent teams (Baltimore aside). 

 

Also, sample size is a thing. We had a winning record against the Astros this year, but none of us would have realistically expected to beat them in a playoff series. Unfortunately we didn't have it for this series. 

The ALE was barely more competitive than the ALC. If any season didn't really play to those tropes, it was this one.

 

The only real difference was the two Sox teams.


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Posted 08 October 2019 - 01:29 AM

Fun fact, the Twins winning percentage versus the AL divisions:

 

ALC: 66%

ALW: 68%

ALE: 63%

 

That seems pretty much like a team that just beat other teams.

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 01:34 AM

Had the Twins played (and been managed) this way for the first two games, we'd be looking at a game four.
 
Nevermind that I wouldn't be so effing angry right now.
 
I like Baldelli but he needs to be better next season. I glossed over some of his weaker points but he walked such a different game than he talked that SOMEONE needs to call it out and he needs to learn from the experience.


I thought, based on your comments after game 1, that you had no problem with how Baldelli managed. Change of heart?
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Posted 08 October 2019 - 01:39 AM

 

I thought, based on your comments after game 1, that you had no problem with how Baldelli managed. Change of heart?

I was extremely intoxicated at the time, take anything I said about game one with about fifty pounds of salt.

 

Once I sobered up, I just scratched my head and wondered what the hell I had witnessed.

 

What I remembered witnessing, anyway.

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 02:08 AM

 

Fun fact, the Twins winning percentage versus the AL divisions:

 

ALC: 66%

ALW: 68%

ALE: 63%

 

That seems pretty much like a team that just beat other teams.

 

But you're not playing all teams from the other divisions; you're playing the best. Our winning percentage against "winning" teams was below .500. 

 

And the Red Sox were a good team who are saddeled in a division with two great teams. If you traded the two Sox teams, I would wager that you would have seen more wins by the Red Sox and fewer by the White Sox. 

 

The numbers you've posted are interesting, but for this discussion who we did against divisions writ large is unimportant. How we did against playoff teams is, and the Yankees and Rays did a number on us while we got a series win against the 'Stros. 

 

I think there's a good analog to my college team, Villanova. The Big East is good competition, but it's not the Big 10 or the ACC. And 2016 and 2018 excepted, it shows in the tournament. 

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 04:45 AM

I totally understand why so many fans feel just DONE with this team right now. I felt super ticked off last night - when they had the bases loaded and nobody out, didn't score...it was just sickening. That said - and I'm just speaking for myself - this sweep doesn't take away the fun I had this summer watching this team. There were some special moments. I refuse to let last night's sweep tarnish those fun moments we all had watching and commenting here on the game threads together.

  • Watching the Twins bash another opponent 14-5 or whatever. 
  • Watching Luis Arraez come out of nowhere to become a special player.
  • Seeing Miguel Sano click in the second half of the season. Mitch Garver's emergence.
  • Taylor Rogers turning into an elite reliever, mowing teams down.
  • Nelson Cruz and those 3-homer games.

 

That said, I'm not sure I'm even sure I have the stomach to summon hope again. This Twins team looked absolutely out-classed and out-matched by superior talent and coaching. It wasn't even close. Was this Yankees-Twins? Because it looked like Yankees-Orioles. Being exposed as frauds on the national stage was frankly embarrassing.

 

The Twins didn't look like one pitcher away from competing. They looked wayyyy farther away than that. Let's just hope it doesn't take this team 8 more years to even reach the playoffs again. The bad taste from this series won't go away for many fans until we make it right, advance in the playoffs. Pronto.

 

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 05:21 AM

Top of the mind rant. I don't know how coherent this is but this sweep pisses me off.

The only team to get swept - The MN Twins

Record for most playoff losses in a row - The MN Twins

Team that allowed the Yankees to score 7 runs in one inning (a Yankee record) The MN Twins

This team was out pitched, out defensed, out coached, out everything.

101 wins and a HR record isn't acceptable. Fans must demand more than that. I'll take 90 wins and a World Series appearance.

This team needs to shore up its defense in a huge way and pick up one front line pitcher.

Graterol better not be seen as a bullpen pitcher or I'm done. The Astros have proven starters can throw 98mph and start a game.

Bring Odo back - he's worth it as a #2 or #3 pitcher.

Teams that win World Series don't settle for this result, the fan base certainly shouldn't either.

 

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 05:22 AM

The ALE was barely more competitive than the ALC. If any season didn't really play to those tropes, it was this one.

The only real difference was the two Sox teams.

Except the East has only one of the 5 worst teams in baseball rather than two and it also had a second playoff team. I wouldn't call that the same division. The East wasn't as good as it usually is, but it's still quite a bit better than the Central.
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Posted 08 October 2019 - 05:34 AM

Baseball to me is a celebration of the warm weather months. I greatly enjoyed the many hours of entertainment that the Twins and their minor league teams provided me. Next year I plan to subscribe to MILB TV to be able to watch some of those minor league games. Thank you to the TWins and the TWins Daily staff for a wonderful summer.
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Posted 08 October 2019 - 05:51 AM

Look, they didn't perform, but this doom and gloom is a bit over the top... for now.

 

That streak sits at 16 games, and yes it's ugly. Most of the guys on this team had nothign to do with anything but this series... and a few more can back one more game. We'll see ALDS action over the next few years with this core of players.

 

Let's see how they handle the offseason. Let's see how they perform next year before we decide that they are nothing but a bunch of losers. 

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