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#41 jaimedude2

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 12:16 AM

Aaraez failure to cover second base taking away double play chance and allowing Encarcion to take second was huge play in inning that ended up 3 to 2. That and Cron misplay at first. Go with the ones that got you to this dance. Kepler CF1. Polanco SS 2. Cruz DH 3. Rosario LF 4. Sano 3B 5. Gonzalez 1B 6. Garver C. 7 Cave RF 8. Aaraez 2B. 9th. That is the lineup they should roll with.

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 12:36 AM

Meh, more of the same, out manned, out pitched, out managed. A franchise content with mediocre. Maybe we'll win one game in the playoffs this year, but this is going nowhere.Berrios is a 3rd starter on a legit contender, until we accurately assess who we are there can be no progress.

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 12:57 AM

Ugh. Everyone can talk about how this team has nothing to do with the other Twins teams that lost before. But they are absolutely linked. The Twins' players hear about the franchise's playoff losing streak and long run of failure and it burrows into their subconscious and affects performance. In the same way most players that join the Yankees hear about all the Yankee success and winning and it boosts their confidence and they play better there than they did for any other team. Success breeds success. It's all in the mental game and the Twins have to figure out how to avoid turning into jelly-legged, terrified, star-struck imitations of the Bad News Bears. The Twins' baseball talent is every bit as good as the Yankees but the mental game is 180 degrees apart. 

 

And another thing . . . the Twins need to conclude that Gibson is DONE for the year and get him replaced with another pitcher, anyone. The man is not healthy and should be nowhere near a pitching mound.

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 01:11 AM

I'd love to think the Twins talent is equal,but it's not.Offensively we can give NY a run, but unless our starters go deep (6+) the Twins are outgunned on the pitching side. This isn't a mental block for the players, this is a talent gap.Like it was for all of the 2000's.Until the front office actually builds a team that is more talented than the Yankees, we're probably not going to beat them. 

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#45 twinsfanstreif

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 04:16 AM

Serves me right for only watching the first couple of innings and then going to bed all optimistic up 2-0
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Posted 05 October 2019 - 04:43 AM

It was a good season but you cant win against good teams without quality pitchers who can perform against teams with winning records. Also Rocco showed that he was a rookie coach. The curse continues.

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 05:15 AM

I don't understand why Rocco didn't start Schoop didn't start against a lefthanded pitcher. He is also a better fielder than Luis A . Then he could have brought Luis in later in the game against a right hander.  

As for Berrios, I would have brought him out to ptich the fifth inning. His command had not been good early, but his last 2 innings were better and his pitch count was low enough for him to do another inning. 

Littel had been good for us, but the stress seemed to get to him tonight. 

 

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 05:19 AM

CJ Cron should have caught the double play relay. He also struck out on a 3-2 pitch that bounced about 10 feet in front of the plate. Cron, Litell, Stashak and of course Gibson just can't or aren't prepared to compete on this stage.

Hope we don't see any of them tonight. Tough loss but you gotta have some faith that this team can bounce back.

The Nationals were able to turn to Max Scherzer to even up the series on the road against LA. Alas, the Twins' version of a stopper is Randy Dobnak...

The disparity in starting pitching between the Twins and other playoff teams is frightful.
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Posted 05 October 2019 - 05:51 AM

I just read this article and all these previous comments and now I am really down.Two commentators on tv before the game last night said that the Yankees had the pressure on them. Howeverthe Yankees looked pretty loose to me before and during this game. The Twins looked like tourists from the mid-west, walking around Times Square, taking pictures of the tall buildings. It's time for the Twins to grow a pair.

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 05:54 AM

I didn't get to see the game (thanks mlb) but from everything said, it seems the Twins weaknesses showed up in spades. Poor team defense, mental errors, weak bullpen and BP management, short start by starting pitcher, lack of hits with RISP? That about covers it. One thing not mentioned is we aren't in Kansas (City) anymore Dorothy. The Yankees play in an environment that is unforgiving every home game, all year. That said, I don't understand pulling Berrios? He had an inning left, he is our "ace", and we aren't blessed with a long relief staff. Secondly Dobnak v Odorizzi? GB v FB pitcher? I know Odorizzi has left a lot of innings for the pen, but since the debacle last night left the pen pretty much intact, I would go that way. Throwing Dobnak to the Yankee Stadium wolves may not turn out that well? An experienced Odorizzi would be my choice.
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Posted 05 October 2019 - 06:18 AM

How so? What did Baldelli do to lose this game? I agree that Schoop should have started but it's not as if Arraez blew the game wide open through incompetence.
 
Berrios wasn't locating his pitches and was out early. I'm not sure what is controversial about that.




I agree, Berrios had high pitch count because of poor locn on off speed We were in the game going toe to toe with Yanks. What lost the game was Littel (nerves, zero command) Stashak ( looked like an amateur out there throwing meatballs) Gibby the nibbler who allows just one hit in one inning BUT walks three resulting in 3 runs. He’s a 7 year veteran. And, this is the best he can do. Reminds me of a Viking QB performance.

Arraez didn’t seem 100% which cost us 2 runs.

But, my biggest disappointment was Berrios, our Ace. He had his FB going but zero off speed command. He needed to step up in his biggest game but couldn’t.

Paxton on the other hand, looked good and we still got to him.

We’ll win next one and watch Bob Costas go into shock.
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Posted 05 October 2019 - 07:04 AM

If Berrios can only squeeze out 4 innings we are done. I mean Odorizzi only averaged like 5 innings per game this year, so he ain't going to be the answer. Berrios needed to pitch 7, similar to Verlander pitching I think 8 yesterday. Twins bullpen is not constructed to pitch 5 or 6 innings per game. Even if Berrios gives up 3 - 4 runs you need to keep him out there. He is still better than all of the rest of the guys on the team, throw him, maybe he gives up another run or two, but with the Twins bats down 5 - 4 with and inning or two left, I give the Twins a better than 50% chance of winning. But start running the BP out there in the 5th and it ends up 10 - 4 blowout. We aren't saving these guys for the end of the year anymore, we are here.
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Posted 05 October 2019 - 07:15 AM

Playing the Yanks in Yankee stadium, is there a tougher venue?

 

So, Twins laid an egg.

 

I thought Baldelli did a good job getting different guys in the game and letting them taste the action.

 

Baseball is about failure, and ultimately, redemption.Kepler, Cron, Arraez, Garver, Sano, Stashak, LIttel, Gibson, Berrios -- we got guys who will be hungry to prove they belong.

 

Roll the dice again today Boys.

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 07:27 AM

 

CJ Cron should have caught the double play relay. He also struck out on a 3-2 pitch that bounced about 10 feet in front of the plate. Cron, Litell, Stashak and of course Gibson just can't or aren't prepared to compete on this stage.

Hope we don't see any of them tonight. Tough loss but you gotta have some faith that this team can bounce back.

The Nationals were able to turn to Max Scherzer to even up the series on the road against LA. Alas, the Twins' version of a stopper is Randy Dobnak...

The disparity in starting pitching between the Twins and other playoff teams is frightful.

 

??? Scherzer pitched in the 8th in relief for an inning.... his bullpen day..... but it was Strasburg that started and went 6. Same point, but the wrong pitcher?

Edited by h2oface, 05 October 2019 - 07:57 AM.

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 07:33 AM

I'll be honest--the list of players who didn't rise to the occasion is long; and Berrios is at the top of the list.  It seemed like Rosario sunk to the occasion, or at least the head of his bat did--way low and outside the zone.

 

Polanco and Sano, sort of?  Cruz did as expected.  Polanco acted like he belonged there.  Everybody else?

 

However, I'm not ready to throw in the towel.  This team has been punched plenty of times this year, and gotten up off the mat.  They didn't win 101 games by accident.  Ok, maybe they did--the accident of being in the AL Central.  

 

I don't know what these guys are really like in the locker room, but I hope Astudillo was giving a lot of guys some grief for wasting his spot on the roster.

 

Let's go Dobber!

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 07:37 AM

You gotta throw strikes. Berríos threw too many non-competitive pitches, so did most of the bullpen. I thought Torres was struck out before he got that two-run double. The ump's zone was tight and that hurt the Twins more than the Yankees. 

 

Arraez certainly didn't look right and he hurt the team despite also getting a double and scoring the tying run. 

 

I thought Kepler looked OK, Marwin played a good game, but the other injured guys (Cron & Arraez, perhaps Garver) did not look very good. Polanco had great ABs, but the Twins need to pressure the Yankee staff from 1-9 in their order.

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 07:38 AM

Berrios gave up 1 earned run in 4 innings. ONE. His defense let him down, and had a lot to do with increasing his pitch count. He should have been out of the 3rd with only one run given up. Plus, if the robots were calling balls and strikes, it would have been a lot different. Still, he had a very fine 1-2-3 4th inning on 12 pitches, and the game was tied going into the bottom of the 5th. Berrios could have gone more than 4. It certainly wasn't his choice. He wasn't that far off with his breaking stuff..... it was just the Yankees are too good to go for it. Berrios only had 88 pitches when pulled, and it was a tie game. To say he wasn't doing a good job is just an opinion that I don't agree with. 

 

We need more than 4 runs. The offense needs to step up, just like they did all year. Garver 0-5, Rosario 0-5, Cron 0-4, and Kepler 0-2 went a combined 0-16. They have to have a better game, today.

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 07:39 AM

 

If Berrios can only squeeze out 4 innings we are done. I mean Odorizzi only averaged like 5 innings per game this year, so he ain't going to be the answer. Berrios needed to pitch 7, similar to Verlander pitching I think 8 yesterday. Twins bullpen is not constructed to pitch 5 or 6 innings per game. Even if Berrios gives up 3 - 4 runs you need to keep him out there. He is still better than all of the rest of the guys on the team, throw him, maybe he gives up another run or two, but with the Twins bats down 5 - 4 with and inning or two left, I give the Twins a better than 50% chance of winning. But start running the BP out there in the 5th and it ends up 10 - 4 blowout. We aren't saving these guys for the end of the year anymore, we are here.

 

Twins were just hoping to steal one last night, in my opinion. They played it safe with Berrios, he'll be rested by Game 4 if we need him then. By the time Litell and Stashak faltered, the Twins threw in the towel and let Gibby take more damage.

 

Last night's game didn't matter to the Twins as much as it did the Yankees. Tonight's game will have a much different feel from a managerial perspective, I think. It's gonna be Romo, Rogers, in tight spots, no matter what part of the game the Twins are in.

 

Remember, Yanks burned some bullpen arms too last night.

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 07:45 AM

Personally I am not that distressed about Dobnak.We'll see if everyone's hopes in him are rewarded.I want the man to have the best October cancelled honeymoon evah!
 
Mildly surprised at Big Red's butterflies.Hope he gets a chance to show he can shake them off.
 
Stashak just had a character-building experience that is not his fault.Hope his boss learned something from it.


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Posted 05 October 2019 - 07:46 AM



Last night's game didn't matter to the Twins as much as it did the Yankees.


And that's borderline malpractice, IMO.
In a best of 5 series, the game 1 winner wins the series 73% of the time. The game should have mattered just as much to the Twins.
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