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#1 Cody Christie

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 05:45 PM

Minnesota acquiring Sam Dyson at the trade deadline was one of the team’s highlight moves as the bullpen was conceived to be one of the team’s greatest weaknesses. He was in the middle of a terrific season with the Giants as he posted a 2.47 ERA and a 6.71 strikeout-to-walk ratio. He was brought into Minnesota to be one of the team’s late inning options, but that certainly hasn’t been the case.

Dyson has pitched like he is damaged goods since he put on a Twins uniform and now it seems likely that he will undergo shoulder surgery that will cost him parts of this season and next season.In 12 appearances with the Twins, he has struggled to a 7.15 ERA and a 1.33 strikeout-to-walk ratio with multiple trips to the disabled list. His most recent prognosis is that he will miss the rest of the season with shoulder surgery and there’s no guarantee that he will be ready for the start of next season. This would mean the Twins traded three-prospects for 12 appearances from Dyson

According to La Velle E. Neal III and the Star-Tribune, the Twins are investigating what San Francisco knew.

"According to sources with knowledge of the situation, the Twins have investigated whether San Francisco was aware that Dyson had a sore shoulder when the Giants sent him to the Twins in exchange for three minor leaguers, pitchers Prelander Berroa and Kei-Wei Teng and outfielder Jaylin Davis.

As standard procedure before trades are finalized, Dyson’s medical information was examined by the Twins. There were no red flags on the records they examined.

Dyson, however, informed the Twins shortly after joining them on July 31 that he has been pitching with some discomfort, dating to a July 15-17 series against Colorado. He said he’s had aches before and and pitched through them."

He goes on to say, “The situation led to discussions between the Twins and Giants to determine what they knew about Dyson's condition before the deal was made. The Twins have been unable to find any evidence that the Giants had knowledge of an injury.”

Back in 2016, the San Diego Padres and general manager A.J. Peller were penalized for a similar situation that changed some of the medical record process for big-league squads. Peller was suspended for 30 days after the league determined the Padres had hidden some health issues regarding left-handed pitcher Drew Pomeranz.

When Minnesota traded Jaylin Davis, Prelander Berroa, and Kai-Wei Teng, they had no idea this was the type of pitcher the club was getting in exchange. Dyson has one more year of team control, but it doesn’t seem likely for the Twins to pick-up his multi-million-dollar arbitration offer if he is going to miss a majority of the season while recovering from shoulder surgery.

Do you think MLB should step in and deal with this trade between the Twins and the Giants? Were the Giants trying to hide something? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion.
 
Note from John Bonnes: a paragraph in this original story has been edited as it was not accurate.

Originally, the story stated:

There seems to be something fishy happening from the Giants perspective and the Twins are trying to prove the Giants were aware of Dyson’s injury prior to their deadline deal. According to La Velle E. Neal III and the Star-Tribune:

It is not reported that the Twins are “trying to prove” anything, though one is welcome to try and deduce that. The paragraph was changed to:

According to La Velle E. Neal III and the Star-Tribune, the Twins are investigating what San Francisco knew.

"According to sources with knowledge of the situation, the Twins have investigated whether San Francisco was aware that Dyson had a sore shoulder when the Giants sent him to the Twins in exchange for three minor leaguers, pitchers Prelander Berroa and Kei-Wei Teng and outfielder Jaylin Davis.

As standard procedure before trades are finalized, Dyson’s medical information was examined by the Twins. There were no red flags on the records they examined."

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 06:00 PM

Yes. Something is rotten here. Is it just Dyson? I mean, why wouldn't he bring it up? Did he just want to get out of San Fran for some reason? Something is fishy, if not rotten. Rotting fish, maybe.

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 06:17 PM

Weren't the Giants trying to compete at the deadline? If they knew Dyson wasn't going to contribute so they decided to flip him.

 

If it can be proven, the Twins should get 1 of their prospects back.

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 06:25 PM

The article didn't say anything about 'the Twins investigating Giants'. You make that sound like there is an official ongoing investigation when the article you linked said this:

 

"The situation led to discussions between the Twins and Giants to determine what they knew about Dyson’s condition before the deal was made. The Twins have been unable to find any evidence that the Giants had knowledge of an injury.

 

So Dyson and the Twins are bracing for surgery — and the possibility that Dyson, who’s arbitration-eligible for next season, won’t return to the mound until the middle of the 2020 season."

 

So, how is this some major REPORT? It doesn't sound like there is anything more than they made inquiries and found nothing intentional on the Giants' part and are moving on.

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 06:42 PM

“Dyson, however, informed the Twins shortly after joining them on July 31 that he has been pitching with some discomfort, dating to a July 15-17 series against Colorado. He said he’s had aches before and ad pitched through them.”

 

If Dyson sought treatment while with SF and it was omitted in his medical records the Twins have a case here. If he told the Giants staff about his soreness and that he was fine pitching through it as he had in the past, and treatment wasn't necessary, then the waters become murky. I suppose you could argue that morally the Giants are shady by not disclosing that Dyson had some discomfort but I'm not sure they're obligated to disclose that if Dyson himself isn't claiming any aliment. 

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 07:18 PM

It doesn't seem like the Giants are at fault, at least from what I've read. It sucks that this injury has developed when it did, but I'd just chalk it up to bad luck.

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 07:27 PM

I think it would be pretty hard to find fault with the Giants on this one, or at least to prove anything. 

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 07:35 PM

That this became public is going to have repercussions. It could make it harder for both teams to make trades in the future. If teams think the Giants are peddling damaged goods, teams might be reluctant to deal with them. In the same vein, if teams think the Twins are going to make a stink to deflect attention from the fact that they didn’t do their due diligence they may be reluctant to deal with Falvine.
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Posted 24 September 2019 - 07:52 PM

Is this an actual story? Are the Twins looking for an investigation into the trade? 

 

I think they got screwed personally. 


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Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:19 PM

 

That this became public is going to have repercussions. It could make it harder for both teams to make trades in the future. If teams think the Giants are peddling damaged goods, teams might be reluctant to deal with them. In the same vein, if teams think the Twins are going to make a stink to deflect attention from the fact that they didn’t do their due diligence they may be reluctant to deal with Falvine.

 

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:26 PM

I'm going to give the front office a mulligan over this. Simply because they have done fantastic work putting this team together. They've made mistakes on Lynn and Dyson, but for the most part, they've been a solid front office. 

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 09:03 PM

Teams that are in the chase at the deadline, as the Giants were, don't usually trade away one of their better relievers for prospects. I know from reading posts from Giants fans that many were shocked to see Dyson traded....I think the Giants suspected something was amiss.

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 09:07 PM

the Twins are going to make a stink to deflect attention from the fact that they didn’t do their due diligence

In mid-season trades, the teams exchange medical reports. Trades aren't contingent on a medical exam, unless there is a known problem.

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 09:27 PM

 

I'm going to give the front office a mulligan over this. Simply because they have done fantastic work putting this team together. They've made mistakes on Lynn and Dyson, but for the most part, they've been a solid front office. 

They have beena bit lucky but Lynn and Dyson were actually two very good moves that were unlucky. Dyson was going to immediately be one of our top relievers but for the injury.Lynn was 11-8 with a 3.43 ERA the year before he got here and has a 15-11 and 3.75 ERA right now with the Rangers. If by mistake you mean they should have kept him then yeah, he would look pretty good as our 3rd starter right now.

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 10:02 PM

Please note that I have added an update to the end of this story and detailed the changes to a specific paragraph that was not explicitly state in La Velle E. Neal's report. It might be a distinction without a difference, but it's important in situations like this to be as accurate as possible. 

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 10:05 PM

 

The article didn't say anything about 'the Twins investigating Giants'. You make that sound like there is an official ongoing investigation when the article you linked said this:

 

"The situation led to discussions between the Twins and Giants to determine what they knew about Dyson’s condition before the deal was made. The Twins have been unable to find any evidence that the Giants had knowledge of an injury.

 

So Dyson and the Twins are bracing for surgery — and the possibility that Dyson, who’s arbitration-eligible for next season, won’t return to the mound until the middle of the 2020 season."

 

So, how is this some major REPORT? It doesn't sound like there is anything more than they made inquiries and found nothing intentional on the Giants' part and are moving on.

 

Carol, to address some of your concerns, I clarified in the story what we know about the Twins investigation into this matter. I think it's worth pointing out though, that there is nothing in Neal's story that suggests the Twins are moving on. Maybe they are. But all that is being reported is that they have investigated and not found anything yet. 

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 10:41 PM

 

The article didn't say anything about 'the Twins investigating Giants'. You make that sound like there is an official ongoing investigation when the article you linked said this:

 

"The situation led to discussions between the Twins and Giants to determine what they knew about Dyson’s condition before the deal was made. The Twins have been unable to find any evidence that the Giants had knowledge of an injury.

 

So Dyson and the Twins are bracing for surgery — and the possibility that Dyson, who’s arbitration-eligible for next season, won’t return to the mound until the middle of the 2020 season."

 

So, how is this some major REPORT? It doesn't sound like there is anything more than they made inquiries and found nothing intentional on the Giants' part and are moving on.

 

If I am unable to find any evidence, that means I was looking for evidence, which I haven't found (yet, perhaps), which to me (and the Cambridge online dictionary), is a definition of investigation = "the act of examining something carefully, esp. to discover the truth about it."


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Posted 25 September 2019 - 02:53 AM

I want Jaylin back, and we'll call it a wash.
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Posted 25 September 2019 - 07:36 AM

 

Weren't the Giants trying to compete at the deadline? If they knew Dyson wasn't going to contribute so they decided to flip him.

 

If it can be proven, the Twins should get 1 of their prospects back.

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 07:46 AM

I'm sure the Giants knew about it and didn't write it down anywhere. 

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