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#21 diehardtwinsfan

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 05:37 AM

I think your top 3 are the correct picks. I could see them taking Thorpe and going with 12 position players... That's a 3 man bench as it is. 

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 06:02 AM

Playoff games are tighter, you may need a lefty specialist more. And you need length with the shortage of not only starters but starters who can drag you into the 6th. Add in the fact that both the opponents will be pretty offensively laden, and you need both arms and flexibility. Perez the LOOGY may work in that case, as could Thorpe. I would think twice about Brusdar. He was impressive in Mpls. against KC. But we aren't going to Kansas Dorothy. (or MO) As for Willians, a lot of that depends on Garvers health. The Turtle isn't hitting well right now, but Andrainza hasn't payed in quite awhile either.
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Posted 24 September 2019 - 06:17 AM

13 pitchers. Littel is a lock. Carry Stashak, Thorpe, and Graterol. 12 position players means the starting 9 plus Castro, Cave, and Schoop. I'm basing this on Adrianza not being back and in game shape for the ALDS. All reports show he's not close to coming back and obliques are tough. I'd rather carry that 13th pitcher than Astudillo or a pinch runner who can steal. It just seems like the Twins may need it given the issues with starting pitching.

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 06:20 AM

Will people be upset if the 25th spot goes to Gibson? I don't think its the best use of the roster but perhaps there are other team morale/loyalty reasons that Rocco and co. would bring him along?

 

I think I would be fearful but not upset at the decision.

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 07:05 AM

 

I wonder if the Twins take 13 pitchers and make the third game a straight bullpen game see if Dobnak can get 4-5 good innings and go with the pen the rest of the way.  

I don't think the Twins need a 13th pitcher to have a solid bullpen game. Nick's point about the Brewers only carrying 12 pitchers last year is a good one; the Twins will try to win games this post-season the same way the Brewers did in 2018.

 

Also, in regards to the original article, I think Littell has to be a lock on the post season roster. Stashak should be a lock as well. Graterol would be my final inclusion as well, leaving Gibson off the roster. I would be willing to swap Thorpe for Perez in Nick's original list.

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 07:48 AM

What are the rules about selecting 25 players for the playoffs? Must the same 25 also be on the World Series roster? Also, what allows a team to drop one player and add another? Who determines whether a player is truly injured, so as to be substituted for?

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:18 AM

I think the only real challenge for the Twins is to pick between Perez and Thorpe. I hope to see both get a start in this final set of games, and that may clarify the situation. Perez's success against lefties is notable, but you generally are going to want length from him, not usage as a LOOGY.

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:22 AM

I think that if the Twins want to use Perez as a reliever, they should have sprinkled him in here in that role over the last couple weeks. Why keep giving him (poor) starts all the way until the ALDS?

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:26 AM

Littell and Dobnak are givens. I think that Perez is a given. Not as sure about Smeltzer. Stashak should be a given. I don't think Graterol is a given at all at this point.

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:28 AM

 

Will people be upset if the 25th spot goes to Gibson? I don't think its the best use of the roster but perhaps there are other team morale/loyalty reasons that Rocco and co. would bring him along?

 

I think I would be fearful but not upset at the decision.

Anyone can be on the bench. So Gibson could still be with the team, even if he's not on the roster. 

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:28 AM

A lotta steam in favor of Thorpe in these comments. I gotta say -- I don't get it.

 

Thorpe in 4 September appearances: 8.35 ERA with 16 hits and 7 BB in 12 IP. Opponents hitting .327/.404/.531.

 

Granted, Perez has also been bad in September, but not quite as bad, and he has the LHB advantage, more experience, etc. I get that people are really down on Perez but I'm not sure we're recognizing how poorly Thorpe's pitched since his first handful of outings.

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:34 AM

 

What are the rules about selecting 25 players for the playoffs? Must the same 25 also be on the World Series roster? Also, what allows a team to drop one player and add another? Who determines whether a player is truly injured, so as to be substituted for?

Teams set their rosters in advance of each round, so they can change between series.

 

Injured players can be replaced on the roster during a series, but the injured player is ineligible to return that series *or* the next series. And you can only replace an injured pitcher with another pitcher, or an injured position player with another position player.

 

The exception is concussions. A player with an acute concussion would be eligible to return after 7 days. Not sure if that applies to catchers only? Anyway, it's an argument for leaving Astudillo off the roster, as we could more easily bring him in as a replacement if necessary.

 

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:40 AM

I hope we can see more Alcala this week starting with situations unlike his debut and then maybe ending with situations like his debut.  

 

They basically called the fire department, turned on the hydrant and said "DRINK".  

 

He could easily slide from 10 to 6 in a week, given the right circumstances.That still doesn't put him on the roster.Now, if that baptism by fire has fortified his psyche, he does have an outside chance of getting results from his obvious stuff.Maybe that would make the decision more difficult.It's a good problem to have.

 

It wasn't even necessary to have Stewart and Hildenberger on this list.They should have zero chance, even if there are 8 injuries in front of them.I would bet on and select Jake Reed or Alex Schick before giving either of those two a playoff call.


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Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:49 AM

 

A lotta steam in favor of Thorpe in these comments. I gotta say -- I don't get it.

 

Thorpe in 4 September appearances: 8.35 ERA with 16 hits and 7 BB in 12 IP. Opponents hitting .327/.404/.531.

 

Granted, Perez has also been bad in September, but not quite as bad, and he has the LHB advantage, more experience, etc. I get that people are really down on Perez but I'm not sure we're recognizing how poorly Thorpe's pitched since his first handful of outings.

 

If Perez's role in the playoffs is to be a lefty specialist, it's pretty odd that he hasn't been used that way once this season, no? Obviously you cannot start him in one of these playoff games, is he worth putting on the roster to face one guy a night in a role he's never had?

 

Berrios

Odorizzi

Dobnak

Smeltzer

Rogers

May

Duffey

Littel

Romo

Graterol

Stashak

 

As bad as Gibson has been, I think I'd trust him to get you 2-3 innings in game 3 or 4 at Target Field over Perez

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:51 AM

The only thing I will say about Perez is I think his cutter is more suited and lethal in cooler temperatures.My Theory is that is why he did so well in April and May.Essentially in warmer temps the ball is moving too much.I am very curious to see how he does in his next outing which should be in the 70's.   

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 08:56 AM

 

Will people be upset if the 25th spot goes to Gibson? I don't think its the best use of the roster but perhaps there are other team morale/loyalty reasons that Rocco and co. would bring him along?

 

I think I would be fearful but not upset at the decision.

Yes.He doesn't need to be on the 25-man roster to travel with the team.Should treat it like being on the IL, which is where he should be.


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Posted 24 September 2019 - 09:16 AM

Agree 100% with those twelve.Another argument in Perez's favor is that he owns the Astros.He is career 7-4 with 2.70 ERA in 12 starts against them. And he was scoreless this season in his only game against them.Also he has a 2.97 ERA in 5 starts at Houston.I'd start him if they play the Astros, in the pen (with Dobnak and Smeltzer the starters) if they play the Yankees

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 09:31 AM

 

Good point. Then you wonder if Rogers will be used to get the final outs, as he usually is.

Without a doubt, Rogers will be used to get the final outs.Houston and NY being so righthanded is actually to Taylor's advantage, because his back foot slider makes him devastatingly effective against righties....213 BAA and .620 OPS against righties, .277 BAA and .676 OPS against righties.Granted, his HR rate is better against lefties, but I'll take his overall numbers against righties. 

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 11:06 AM

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 11:30 AM

Without a doubt, Rogers will be used to get the final outs.Houston and NY being so righthanded is actually to Taylor's advantage, because his back foot slider makes him devastatingly effective against righties....213 BAA and .620 OPS against righties, .277 BAA and .676 OPS against righties.Granted, his HR rate is better against lefties, but I'll take his overall numbers against righties.

I’m still not sold Rogers will be that guy, but you could certainly be right.

It will be interesting to watch if the Twins ever call for the Rogers back foot slider to the righty for three, four pitches in a row. Especially after the batter has laid off it, to call for it one more time. I don’t know who those batters would be but this is definitely going to be fun!
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