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Posted 15 September 2019 - 08:03 AM

Kick him to the curb. He screwed the team over at the worst possible time. He'll be screwing the team over again by not participating for a quarter of the season and the playoffs.
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Tough Criticism.

I never in the article said that Pineda’s injury history or PEDs should be specifically ignored in the aggregate, but expecting him to trend upwards and not downwards would and should be a realistic possibility coupled with a low price tag, making him a very realistic option for resigning.

There has never been a baseball team to enter the season with 5, and come out with 5 starters with 30+ starts in who knows how long. That’s just reality now. And given three roster spots have come open, the fruits for possibility are endless.

I thought exploring this possibility was intriguing and that I’d get mixed bag reactions. I assumed that readers would enter this with open, impartial view and not be vindictive and resentful. Obviously I was wrong. I apologize if my content wasn’t up to your standards. I’ll try harder next time.
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Posted 15 September 2019 - 08:09 AM

I think the better question is...

What contract would you offer Pineda for 2020?

I guess that does assume everyone would take him on a minimum minor league deal but maybe that isn’t true. My negotiation ceiling is at one year 8 million (effectively 6 million).

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 08:51 AM

I think the better question is...

What contract would you offer Pineda for 2020?

I guess that does assume everyone would take him on a minimum minor league deal but maybe that isn’t true. My negotiation ceiling is at one year 8 million (effectively 6 million).

Before I even finished reading your post, I also came up with $8/$6m.

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 09:06 AM

Pineda will have to sign a major league contract, and then those games will click off at the beginnng of next season, so he will sit for a good mont-and-a-half. I imagine he can workout, on his own dollar, in Florida at the Twins complex. But would have to spend sometime in the minors upon reinstatement.

 

The biggest question will be the dollar amount, and if anyone wants to go beyond the season (or maybe just a mutual option...probably for the amount of the "missed games."

 

Be an interesting gamble to take, and I would like to think that barring other free agent signings, the Twins will have 1-2 spots being filled by newcomers from their system, which factor in two ways...the amount of innings the guys can pitch for the year, as well as the quality of the innings overall. So it could be a good reasonable cost alternative as more arms mature in the Twins organization.

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 09:20 AM

Remember, if they have one or two rookies starting as part of the plan, Pinedas placeholder for eight to ten starts will be the next guy. And when there is an injury, the next guy.

How deep do people think the help in the minors is to start the year?

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 10:47 AM

I definitely think they should offer a QA to Odorizzi and offer both Gibson and Pineda 2 year contracts. That way if Odo goes elsewhere they get something for him and I think they can get both Gibby and Pineda on the cheap which if they fail makes it a lot easier to move on from them rather than going out and getting that supposed sure thing and have them fail then trying to hold on to them because of some ridiculous contract. So if they lucked out and got all of those guys back. You go with
Berrios
Odorizzi
Gibson
Sign Wheeler
Pineda, use a new guy like Grateral until Pineda is ready to go.

Then the rest of the depth is there for when the inevitable injury happens. These guys minus Wheeler are all short term contract obligations, none of them are 4 - 5 year contract guys due to their issues. So realistically it fits the Twins mold currently.

Next question, is Pineda eligible for the playoffs next year? Or is being suspended from this year's postseason good enough??
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Posted 15 September 2019 - 10:49 AM

 

The suspension for the beginning of the season could also benefit Pineda by giving him some extra rest which he seems to need. Plus, I think he feels like he wronged the Twins, so he may come back on a more team friendly deal. Overall, I think he will be a great value considering his talent level and the Twins are going to need to add a lot of starters anyway, so I am all in favor of resigning Pineda. 

 

Pineda would have been a QO option. Now, I'm guessing he still signs a 1 year deal, but for a lot less... Guess that's one way to avoid the QO...

 

That said, I tend to agree that he should be an option. We have 3 starters hitting FA next season, I don't see a scenario where they all stay, and I really don't want to open up more than one spot to guys like Smeltzer, Thrope, Graterol, etc.


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Posted 15 September 2019 - 10:51 AM

 

The suspension should absolutely be a factor. If Pineda misses 40 games next season, that's maybe 8 starts that you have to give to a placeholder starter instead.

Who is going to be plan A out of the gate? Most likely a lesser pitcher than Pineda.

 

I would note that the need for a 5th starter at the beginning of the season is somewhat muted. Obviously, you have an issue b/c it's 40 games, but it's really not going to be much of an issue until May timeframe, so if they aren't going after a big name, I'm fine with something like this. 


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Posted 15 September 2019 - 10:53 AM

If it was up to me I think the most i would offer him is a one year deal and a team option. He needs to prove he's trustworthy and not about to fall apart based on his "choices" and what he puts into his body. I'm more inclined to move on due to the fact that he's put the team in such a difficult position at this point in the season. And what about the games he's suspended next season and the disruption to the rotation carrying on into 2020? Sometimes you just have to know when to call it quits.

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 10:53 AM

 

Tough Criticism. I never in the article said that Pineda’s injury history or PEDs should be specifically ignored in the aggregate, but expecting him to trend upwards and not downwards would and should be a realistic possibility coupled with a low price tag, making him a very realistic option for resigning. There has never been a baseball team to enter the season with 5, and come out with 5 starters with 30+ starts in who knows how long. That’s just reality now. And given three roster spots have come open, the fruits for possibility are endless. I thought exploring this possibility was intriguing and that I’d get mixed bag reactions. I assumed that readers would enter this with open, impartial view and not be vindictive and resentful. Obviously I was wrong. I apologize if my content wasn’t up to your standards. I’ll try harder next time.

For the record, this was a well written piece. People certainly can and will disagree (especially in this case), but it was good. Keep writing!

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 11:02 AM

I would note that the need for a 5th starter at the beginning of the season is somewhat muted. Obviously, you have an issue b/c it's 40 games, but it's really not going to be much of an issue until May timeframe, so if they aren't going after a big name, I'm fine with something like this.


I think it depends on who the Twins resign or trade for. If they don't bring anybody in to fill a slot Pineda's suspension becomes much more painful considering he was arguably the team's best starter the past month and a half.

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 11:26 AM

One thing that should be noted is that from the things I've read, Pineda took Hydrochlorothiazide, which you can't get OTC. It has to be prescribed.

 

So unless it's been erroneously reported, and I haven't seen an update to the story, he's lying about what he took. That, to me, is also a pretty big thing.


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Posted 15 September 2019 - 11:38 AM

 

Of course Michael Pineda was using steroids. Are we going to feign stupidity? Athletes cheat all the time these days. I'm not going to forgive it or forget it, because it's just a fact of life in a capitalist society. People that grow up desperate for financial security will lie, cheat and steal to get it. Even people that grow up rich will lie, cheat and steal to stay rich.

 

Now, if we have all thrown off our baby one piece jammies, should the Twins pitch a contract to Pineda? Heck yeah, he was a bargain basement special, and he might go slightly under top dollar to make things right with the Twins. He did put the team in a pickle by getting caught. He needs to learn to build his body legally. It can be done. Meanwhile, Pineda looks great on the mound for this team. Innings eating horse, with ace potential. Keep the man in Minnesota. 

 

I agree with everything you've said. 

 

I would only add: "Umm, We gotta sign someone". 

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 11:44 AM

 

Tough Criticism. I never in the article said that Pineda’s injury history or PEDs should be specifically ignored in the aggregate, but expecting him to trend upwards and not downwards would and should be a realistic possibility coupled with a low price tag, making him a very realistic option for resigning. There has never been a baseball team to enter the season with 5, and come out with 5 starters with 30+ starts in who knows how long. That’s just reality now. And given three roster spots have come open, the fruits for possibility are endless. I thought exploring this possibility was intriguing and that I’d get mixed bag reactions. I assumed that readers would enter this with open, impartial view and not be vindictive and resentful. Obviously I was wrong. I apologize if my content wasn’t up to your standards. I’ll try harder next time.

 

I think it's a good article with a legitimate question. 

 

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 12:07 PM

 

Remember, if they have one or two rookies starting as part of the plan, Pinedas placeholder for eight to ten starts will be the next guy. And when there is an injury, the next guy.

How deep do people think the help in the minors is to start the year?

 

I'd prefer that they don't hand a job to anyone and call them a placeholder. 

 

We will need 8 starters at least throughout the year. I'd like to see all 8 competing for the 5 spots and I think it would be wise for Pineda to be one of those 8. 

 

If the front office views it from your standpoint.

 

If they plan to sign Pineda and use Player X until Pineda returns, knowing Player X is going to be a sub par pitcher. Already knowing that they will send Player X away when Pineda returns, neat and clean like a Hollywood script. 

 

Then it would be a horrible idea. 

 

In that Scenerio... They should still sign Pineda and find a better player than player X. 

 

Signing Pineda should not prevent them from finding a legitimate arm for that 5th spot in the rotation. 

 

 

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 01:13 PM

I would note that the need for a 5th starter at the beginning of the season is somewhat muted. Obviously, you have an issue b/c it's 40 games, but it's really not going to be much of an issue until May timeframe, so if they aren't going after a big name, I'm fine with something like this.


The effect of the suspension depends on the rest of the rotation depth. I'm not against signing Pineda, for the record. If the Twins make a bigger rotation upgrade, I'd be fine with it.

If Pineda is your 2 or 3 starter, then the suspension creates a bigger vaccuum. And regardless of the schedule, there will probably be a need for a 5th starter earlier than expected.
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Posted 15 September 2019 - 01:21 PM

 

I'd prefer that they don't hand a job to anyone and call them a placeholder. 

 

We will need 8 starters at least throughout the year. I'd like to see all 8 competing for the 5 spots and I think it would be wise for Pineda to be one of those 8. 

 

If the front office views it from your standpoint.

 

If they plan to sign Pineda and use Player X until Pineda returns, knowing Player X is going to be a sub par pitcher. Already knowing that they will send Player X away when Pineda returns, neat and clean like a Hollywood script. 

 

Then it would be a horrible idea. 

 

In that Scenerio... They should still sign Pineda and find a better player than player X. 

 

Signing Pineda should not prevent them from finding a legitimate arm for that 5th spot in the rotation. 

 

So, find four good pitchers, plus Pineda, in the off season? Has any team ever done that?

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 01:28 PM

 

So, find four good pitchers, plus Pineda, in the off season? Has any team ever done that?

 

Not to my knowledge.:)

 

 

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 04:59 PM

I would note that the need for a 5th starter at the beginning of the season is somewhat muted. Obviously, you have an issue b/c it's 40 games, but it's really not going to be much of an issue until May timeframe, so if they aren't going after a big name, I'm fine with something like this.


Its becoming more and more rare for teams to start the season with 4 starters.

In the specific case of the 2020 Twins they start the season Mar 26 with 8 straight scheduled games (@ Oak and Seattle for 7 straight, then the home opener) before they get a scheduled day off. Then only 5 off days sprinkled through April.

So I don't think they will even consider 4 starters.
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Posted 15 September 2019 - 05:40 PM

 

One thing that should be noted is that from the things I've read, Pineda took Hydrochlorothiazide, which you can't get OTC. It has to be prescribed.

 

So unless it's been erroneously reported, and I haven't seen an update to the story, he's lying about what he took. That, to me, is also a pretty big thing.

It could be a big thing or it may simply be due to the fact that Pineda probably doesn't spend his offseasons in the states. Let's not forget that just because a pill has to be prescribed in this country that the same applies to the rest of the world.




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