Your post is totally beiled not by realism, but by conservatism. I'm sure it's obvious to everyone except for you. The notion that some people are just too stupid to help is scary right wing; as if, stupidity isn't also an unlucky or unfortunate circumstance. As a liberal, I'm not interested in babying anyone, but I don't want them to become hobos either. But please, I don't want to debate these issues. But your viewpoint isn't objective it comes from the vantage of real conservative cynicism. I think that your willingness to paint Obama as a hidden liberal is also evidence of your deep rooted conservative values, which is just fine; not sure why it's hard for you to acknowledge.
Also claiming realism and objectivism seems totally clownish and below you, honestly.
I'm not claiming to be objective, I'm claiming to be realistic. At the core of liberalism is this incessant need to paint everyone who says the truth as a cynic. Some people are just not very intelligent. There is nothing controversial about that. No amount of "help" makes them more intelligent. We can help them to be more skilled, but they're still not intelligent. Just more skilled - which is precisely the manner in which we should approach it.
And while it's cute that you are pulling the classic attack of making me a monster to say that, it isn't true that I want to cast these people into the gutter. I'm just not willing to orient everything in life to the misguided idea that everyone is the same and capable of the same. They aren't. It's that childish delusion that is something out of a Care Bear cartoon that really makes me despise liberalism. You can't fix stupid by hoping they figure it out while we provide everything they need - they won't. To a liberal that probably sounds like awful, evil conservatism. It's just realistic, nothing more. You let me know when everyone has the same talents, intelligence, and work ethic and I'll gladly endorse your ideas though.
As for Obama - there is nothing hidden about his liberalism. While I would certainly call certain aspects of his belief system moderate (military use comes to mind), I would not call his beliefs about the role of government anything but significantly left of center. Clinton was a moderate. My beliefs about government are right of center, that doesn't make my evaluation off. You are just further left of Obama, it doesn't make him moderate. That's the misperception here.
Edited by TheLeviathan, 03 November 2012 - 01:55 PM.