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#21 VivaBomboRivera!

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Posted 31 August 2019 - 10:02 PM

Baldelli had to leave Perez in because he used all of his high leverage relievers yesterday. And he was forced to do that because Falvine didn’t think it was worth sending Dobnak down for 5 days and replacing him with a long man.


Please have a look at the calendar and reconsider this justification.

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Posted 31 August 2019 - 10:05 PM

Please either move Perez to the bullpen or release him now. LET PEREZ AND GIBSON WALK NEXT SEASON. Save the money to sign Odorizzi and Pineda.

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Posted 31 August 2019 - 10:12 PM

 

Baldelli had to leave Perez in because he used all of his high leverage relievers yesterday. And he was forced to do that because Falvine didn’t think it was worth sending Dobnak down for 5 days and replacing him with a long man.

By the rules, I think he would have to remain down 10 days.  


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Posted 31 August 2019 - 10:20 PM

Some more on the pitching, including me stupidly getting mad about Tim Laudner because it feels better than stupidly getting mad about Martin Perez, for some reason.

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Posted 31 August 2019 - 10:25 PM

Another issue worthy of mention:
The Tigers beat the Twins on the base paths today like rented mules. The pitching didn't give us a chance to win, but fielders could very well have themselves to blame if they don't increase their awareness and connect their throws better.
To borrow a meme, 'tighten it up' before the Astros, Indians or Yankees make you look foolish.
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Posted 31 August 2019 - 10:52 PM

Baldelli made two big mistakes: 1. He should have batted Arraez before Garver. 2. He should have yanked Perez much sooner.

 

First, batting a power hitter like Garver first is all fine and well, but wouldn't it be better if he is preceded by a high OBP guy like Arraez? Today that might have spelled a couple extra much needed runs. 

 

Second, of all the Twins starters, by far the most volatile is Perez. That is, his stuff is most likely to oscillate wildly from devastating to batting practice. When Perez implodes, it happens fast, even faster than Bad Gibson. A lot of this is because Perez's repertoire is too limited. Today he went inside far too much, especially to a lineup of all righties. Clearly Gardenhire had his guys sitting on inside pitches, and by the time Perez and Garver figured it out, it was too late. Moral: You've got to be ready to throw your pitches anywhere on or outside the periphery of the zone. Otherwise, if you fall into a pattern, mlb hitters will figure it out, and kill you. 

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Posted 31 August 2019 - 11:42 PM

 

 

 

 

Good news?Magic is 23, still a chance to take 3 of 4, and 100 wins is still in reach.However, retaking the AL lead grows tougher with the Yankees now 5 games ahead.See you at the ball park again in a few hours.

Tigers have a .667 winning record against the Yankees.Only conclusion I can draw isthe Yankees have that lead only because they are lucky they don''t have to play the Tigers that often.

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 12:52 AM

 

It makes perfect sense, Arraez is a better hitter with runners in scoring position and he is a LH hitter (against a RH pitcher). It just didn't work out. Arraez the rookie should be more careful with those borderline calls. Btw, do you actually believe Schoop is going to get a hit or a walk in that situation? He hasn't done that all season.

 

I get the L/Rpercentages thing that Rocco was looking for there with his hunch.

 

But here's the deal, over the last 15 days:

 

Schoop: .435/.458/1.130/(1.589)

Arraez: .244/.300/.267/(.567)

 

Arraez has been scuffling in the dog days of August, at bat, and in the field.

And in all reality, after a blazing start, his 2nd half OPS is only .742.

 

Schoop was well-rested and has been by far their hottest hitter over the last 15 days.

And 3rd best in OPS for August behind only Cruz and Cave. (Arraez is 9th best over the same time frame.)

Schoop's 2nd half OPS is actually .881, which is 4th best on the Twins (not counting Cave), while Arraez's .742 OPS ranks next to last- 11th best- only Jason Castro is worse.

Schoop also has a season # of .840 OPS vs. RHP on the road.

 

Still, it was a close call, but Rocco's percentages and hunches went with a scuffling rookie over an established vet with the game literally on the line.

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 12:54 AM

The "up yours" comment from Byleven needs way more love.It's just hilarious on so many levels: he's so bitter, the Fox Sports North guy is so petty, that record will never be broken, and Bert knows it.How fun!?

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 04:26 AM

By the rules, I think he would have to remain down 10 days.


Or until the AAA season ends. Isn’t that Monday?
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Posted 01 September 2019 - 05:43 AM

Well, bottom line is- when the team needs starters to take a step up, nearly all of 'em are taking a step back.

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 06:38 AM

He's back!! Yesterday was Saturday, August 31. It was the 135th game of the year putting the Twins 83% of the way through the season. The Twins hit 6 home runs setting the new MLB record for most home runs in a single season at 268 home runs.
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Posted 01 September 2019 - 06:49 AM

I realize the MLB HR record has been a foregone conclusion for awhile, it was only a matter of time. 

 

I also realize that we just lost to Detroit. 

 

I also realize that Martin Perez is not setting any minds at ease. 

 

And I realize that we have a prolific contingent of posters who would rather discuss failure than discuss accomplishments. 

 

However...

 

This team just broke the Home Run record and they did it before the Calendar turned September!!!

 

You read this thread and you can only assume that the 52nd loss of the season obviously trumps the greatest home run hitting team ever assembled.

 

Personally... I'm saying WOW!!! Thank You for giving me such a fantastic summer. I've witnessed history and I won't forget this. 

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 06:57 AM

Baldelli had to leave Perez in because he used all of his high leverage relievers yesterday. And he was forced to do that because Falvine didn’t think it was worth sending Dobnak down for 5 days and replacing him with a long man.

  

Or until the AAA season ends. Isn’t that Monday?


I don't think it matters when the AAA season ends, in this case.

We can't option a player to AAA after the AAA season ends, but players already in AAA still accumulate days on optional assignment even after their season ends -- all the way up to the end of the MLB regular season. And they need to spend 10 days on optional assignment before they can be recalled again.

FWIW, no mention of a minor league end of season exception here:
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Posted 01 September 2019 - 07:10 AM

 

Some more on the pitching, including me stupidly getting mad about Tim Laudner ...

 

Nothing to apologize for.If he's wrong, that's his fault.The guy's a pro after all.Good on you for having the facts straight.

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 07:12 AM

Does any one know what the Tigers' batting average against the Twins is this season? It's gotta be at least .280. Maybe higher. And they are the worst offense in the AL.


DET .292 AVG vs MIN:

https://www.fangraph...lter=&sort=21,1

4th highest among our 2019 opponents, behind only ATL, NYY, and LAA. (And of course, we only 15 games combined vs those 3 clubs, and 14 games vs Detroit so far.)

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 08:15 AM

It makes perfect sense, Arraez is a better hitter with runners in scoring position and he is a LH hitter (against a RH pitcher). It just didn't work out. Arraez the rookie should be more careful with those borderline calls. Btw, do you actually believe Schoop is going to get a hit or a walk in that situation? He hasn't done that all season.


There's literally an article currently on TD listing the 10 highest WPA HRs for the 2019 Twins.

Schoop is on the list.
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Posted 01 September 2019 - 08:19 AM

I realize the MLB HR record has been a foregone conclusion for awhile, it was only a matter of time.

I also realize that we just lost to Detroit.

I also realize that Martin Perez is not setting any minds at ease.

And I realize that we have a prolific contingent of posters who would rather discuss failure than discuss accomplishments.

However...

This team just broke the Home Run record and they did it before the Calendar turned September!!!

You read this thread and you can only assume that the 52nd loss of the season obviously trumps the greatest home run hitting team ever assembled.

Personally... I'm saying WOW!!! Thank You for giving me such a fantastic summer. I've witnessed history and I won't forget this.

Personally, I note the HR record as a mildly interesting side note to the season. Lots of HRs help win games, but setting a record...who cares? Particularly in a season where there's obviously something going on with the ball.

I care lot more about winning the division, so yesterday's loss is much, much more interesting to me. If setting a HR record got you a postseason spot, maybe I'd give a darn.

YMMV, if course, but I think it's fair for some to talk more about the loss.
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Posted 01 September 2019 - 08:34 AM

 

Personally, I note the HR record as a mildly interesting side note to the season. Lots of HRs help win games, but setting a record...who cares? Particularly in a season where there's obviously something going on with the ball.

I care lot more about winning the division, so yesterday's loss is much, much more interesting to me. If setting a HR record got you a postseason spot, maybe I'd give a darn.

YMMV, if course, but I think it's fair for some to talk more about the loss.

 

Mildly interesting side note? Never happened before in the history of baseball. Juiced ball... break out the asterisk if you must. 

 

It wasn't that interesting of a loss... it was our 52nd loss... there will be more of them in September.:)

 

 

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 08:49 AM

Why did he pinch-hit Arreaz for Schoop? Made no sense with the bases loaded down 6-10.

Makes no sense to me either. Schoop has the hot hand not Arraez. Baldelli might be great at creating a laid back, relaxed, comfortable, loose environment for his players but apparently he is not watching the stats of his hitters that closely or simply ignoring them. You would think down the stretch here with Cleveland following closely that Baldelli would be hunkering down and paying close attention to the stats to try and squeeze every last win out of this team to put Cleveland away. It's decisions like this that make me question his decision making. With bases loaded down 6-10 you have to go with the hot hand (Schoop).

Regarding Perez, after he gave up the homer to Ronny Rodriguez why did Baldelli not pull him? Certainly after Dixon's double you pull Perez by then right? The objective is to try and win a very winnable game instead of allowing your team to go down by 6+ runs and basically handing it away. I don't buy the reasoning that all the relivers were spent from the night before. Just don't buy it.

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