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#241 jokin

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Posted 04 September 2019 - 10:56 PM

 

Rosario has accumulated 5 times the career fWAR of Anderson and is over a year younger.

 

Yes.

Anderson is a rookie and has made a bigger impact than Rosario has in his 5th season.

Anderson plays at a position of current extreme need.

Anderson has produced at a position of need more than Rosario has at a position of surplus.

 

The coup de grace?

 

Anderson is one of only FOUR pitchers (out of over 400) who have a K/9 greater than 15.

Of the 18 LFers who have qualified ABs, Rosario ranks FIFTEENTH with his fWAR of 1.1- he's producing just barely above Robbie Grossman's 1.0.

Robbie Grossman?

 

In summary-

 

The Twins have a surplus of high-rated prospect and door-knocking OFers.

The Twins have a passel-full of prospect but unproven MLB-level pitchers.

Anderson has 5 more years of inexpensive control.

Rosario is expensive, and will be gone sooner or later, but no later than 2021.

 

Bottom line:

 

Effective, proven MLB-level pitchers are scarcer than corner OFers.

Hard to visualize the Twins getting a good #3 SP for Rosario except giving up more prospects- not many teams with surplus quality arms.

Edited by jokin, 05 September 2019 - 05:57 AM.

 

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#242 old nurse

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 05:32 AM

 

Why is a non contender trading for a guy that is not cheap, and has two years of control left?

Because the team thinks they can be a contender if only. Mets making trades,


#243 howieramone2

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 08:33 AM

 

Yes.

Anderson is a rookie and has made a bigger impact than Rosario has in his 5th season.

Anderson plays at a position of current extreme need.

Anderson has produced at a position of need more than Rosario has at a position of surplus.

 

The coup de grace?

 

Anderson is one of only FOUR pitchers (out of over 400) who have a K/9 greater than 15.

Of the 18 LFers who have qualified ABs, Rosario ranks FIFTEENTH with his fWAR of 1.1- he's producing just barely above Robbie Grossman's 1.0.

Robbie Grossman?

 

In summary-

 

The Twins have a surplus of high-rated prospect and door-knocking OFers.

The Twins have a passel-full of prospect but unproven MLB-level pitchers.

Anderson has 5 more years of inexpensive control.

Rosario is expensive, and will be gone sooner or later, but no later than 2021.

 

Bottom line:

 

Effective, proven MLB-level pitchers are scarcer than corner OFers.

Hard to visualize the Twins getting a good #3 SP for Rosario except giving up more prospects- not many teams with surplus quality arms.

Our favorite team having a surplus of corner outfielders does not diminish Rosario's trade value. Our pals trading Bauer is a current example. Anderson is far from from proven. Once the book is out on him, video game numbers will cease.


#244 Mike Sixel

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 10:17 AM

 

Because the team thinks they can be a contender if only. Mets making trades,

 

That makes them a contender for these purposes. If you think you can contend, you are interested in short term players.

 

I'll ask again, which contender has a number 3 or better pitcher to spare?

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 10:56 AM

 

That makes them a contender for these purposes. If you think you can contend, you are interested in short term players.

 

I'll ask again, which contender has a number 3 or better pitcher to spare?

Cleveland was shopping pitchers all ff season. They moved Bauer. Mets would have moved pitching if the price was right.Any team will make a move if they think they are coming out ahead. The key partof that is that the fan might not think that.


#246 Mike Sixel

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 01:24 PM

Cleveland was shopping pitchers all ff season. They moved Bauer. Mets would have moved pitching if the price was right. Any team will make a move if they think they are coming out ahead. The key part of that is that the fan might not think that.


So, Rosario for which Mets pitcher?
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#247 jokin

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 12:55 PM

 

Our favorite team having a surplus of corner outfielders does not diminish Rosario's trade value. Our pals trading Bauer is a current example. Anderson is far from from proven. Once the book is out on him, video game numbers will cease.

 

Once the book is out on him (Anderson)?

 

He's been a major league pitcher for nearly a full season, and he's actually drastically IMPROVING his numbers (every MLB team has fully comprehensive video on demand on every big league pitcher).

 

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"forcing Twins fans to endure more bitter, baseless, and tiresome cheap shots about the Twins FO."


#248 jokin

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 01:06 PM

 

 

Our favorite team having a surplus of corner outfielders does not diminish Rosario's trade value. Our pals trading Bauer is a current example.

 

The Indians traded- from a position of excess- a headcase distraction in Bauer, and acquired a headcase distraction (Puig) and a NL defensive liability (Reyes), in return. Plus, the Indians got another player and 2 prospects.

 

Finding another team in a position of SP excess- AND- willing to deal like this is difficult, if not highly unlikely- in the Indians case, it took a 3-team deal to make it happen.

 

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 04:10 PM

 

So, Rosario for which Mets pitcher?

Don't know, don't care. You asked what teams that were contenders would have had pitching to trade that could have used a corner outfilder. I named 2.

 


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 12:53 AM

Don't know, don't care. You asked what teams that were contenders would have had pitching to trade that could have used a corner outfilder. I named 2.

the Mets have JD Davis and Michael Conforto in LF and RF. Both younger than Rosario, both out-hitting Rosario.

The Mets weren't trading pitching for Rosario at the deadline and ain't this winter, either.
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Posted 09 September 2019 - 08:45 AM

Law during a chat posted on another thread, basically said: ...........There are 15 aces, 30 #2s, 30 #3s, 30 #4s, and 30 #5s. When and if our favorite team decides to move Rosario, the potential pool would include falling #2s, #3s, and rising #4s and #5s. I don't see a problem picking up a starter, our FO feels they can trust starting a play-off game.

 

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 04:39 PM

 

the Mets have JD Davis and Michael Conforto in LF and RF. Both younger than Rosario, both out-hitting Rosario.

The Mets weren't trading pitching for Rosario at the deadline and ain't this winter, either.

JD Davis may be having a career year with a bat but his iron glove at every position they have tried him at marks him for DH material that the Mets don't need.