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#241 jokin

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Posted 04 September 2019 - 10:56 PM

 

Rosario has accumulated 5 times the career fWAR of Anderson and is over a year younger.

 

Yes.

Anderson is a rookie and has made a bigger impact than Rosario has in his 5th season.

Anderson plays at a position of current extreme need.

Anderson has produced at a position of need more than Rosario has at a position of surplus.

 

The coup de grace?

 

Anderson is one of only FOUR pitchers (out of over 400) who have a K/9 greater than 15.

Of the 18 LFers who have qualified ABs, Rosario ranks FIFTEENTH with his fWAR of 1.1- he's producing just barely above Robbie Grossman's 1.0.

Robbie Grossman?

 

In summary-

 

The Twins have a surplus of high-rated prospect and door-knocking OFers.

The Twins have a passel-full of prospect but unproven MLB-level pitchers.

Anderson has 5 more years of inexpensive control.

Rosario is expensive, and will be gone sooner or later, but no later than 2021.

 

Bottom line:

 

Effective, proven MLB-level pitchers are scarcer than corner OFers.

Hard to visualize the Twins getting a good #3 SP for Rosario except giving up more prospects- not many teams with surplus quality arms.

Edited by jokin, 05 September 2019 - 05:57 AM.

 

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#242 old nurse

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 05:32 AM

 

Why is a non contender trading for a guy that is not cheap, and has two years of control left?

Because the team thinks they can be a contender if only. Mets making trades,


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 08:33 AM

 

Yes.

Anderson is a rookie and has made a bigger impact than Rosario has in his 5th season.

Anderson plays at a position of current extreme need.

Anderson has produced at a position of need more than Rosario has at a position of surplus.

 

The coup de grace?

 

Anderson is one of only FOUR pitchers (out of over 400) who have a K/9 greater than 15.

Of the 18 LFers who have qualified ABs, Rosario ranks FIFTEENTH with his fWAR of 1.1- he's producing just barely above Robbie Grossman's 1.0.

Robbie Grossman?

 

In summary-

 

The Twins have a surplus of high-rated prospect and door-knocking OFers.

The Twins have a passel-full of prospect but unproven MLB-level pitchers.

Anderson has 5 more years of inexpensive control.

Rosario is expensive, and will be gone sooner or later, but no later than 2021.

 

Bottom line:

 

Effective, proven MLB-level pitchers are scarcer than corner OFers.

Hard to visualize the Twins getting a good #3 SP for Rosario except giving up more prospects- not many teams with surplus quality arms.

Our favorite team having a surplus of corner outfielders does not diminish Rosario's trade value. Our pals trading Bauer is a current example. Anderson is far from from proven. Once the book is out on him, video game numbers will cease.


#244 Mike Sixel

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 10:17 AM

 

Because the team thinks they can be a contender if only. Mets making trades,

 

That makes them a contender for these purposes. If you think you can contend, you are interested in short term players.

 

I'll ask again, which contender has a number 3 or better pitcher to spare?

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 10:56 AM

 

That makes them a contender for these purposes. If you think you can contend, you are interested in short term players.

 

I'll ask again, which contender has a number 3 or better pitcher to spare?

Cleveland was shopping pitchers all ff season. They moved Bauer. Mets would have moved pitching if the price was right.Any team will make a move if they think they are coming out ahead. The key partof that is that the fan might not think that.


#246 Mike Sixel

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 01:24 PM

Cleveland was shopping pitchers all ff season. They moved Bauer. Mets would have moved pitching if the price was right. Any team will make a move if they think they are coming out ahead. The key part of that is that the fan might not think that.


So, Rosario for which Mets pitcher?
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#247 jokin

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 12:55 PM

 

Our favorite team having a surplus of corner outfielders does not diminish Rosario's trade value. Our pals trading Bauer is a current example. Anderson is far from from proven. Once the book is out on him, video game numbers will cease.

 

Once the book is out on him (Anderson)?

 

He's been a major league pitcher for nearly a full season, and he's actually drastically IMPROVING his numbers (every MLB team has fully comprehensive video on demand on every big league pitcher).

 

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 01:06 PM

 

 

Our favorite team having a surplus of corner outfielders does not diminish Rosario's trade value. Our pals trading Bauer is a current example.

 

The Indians traded- from a position of excess- a headcase distraction in Bauer, and acquired a headcase distraction (Puig) and a NL defensive liability (Reyes), in return. Plus, the Indians got another player and 2 prospects.

 

Finding another team in a position of SP excess- AND- willing to deal like this is difficult, if not highly unlikely- in the Indians case, it took a 3-team deal to make it happen.

 

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 04:10 PM

 

So, Rosario for which Mets pitcher?

Don't know, don't care. You asked what teams that were contenders would have had pitching to trade that could have used a corner outfilder. I named 2.

 


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 12:53 AM

Don't know, don't care. You asked what teams that were contenders would have had pitching to trade that could have used a corner outfilder. I named 2.

the Mets have JD Davis and Michael Conforto in LF and RF. Both younger than Rosario, both out-hitting Rosario.

The Mets weren't trading pitching for Rosario at the deadline and ain't this winter, either.
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Posted 09 September 2019 - 08:45 AM

Law during a chat posted on another thread, basically said: ...........There are 15 aces, 30 #2s, 30 #3s, 30 #4s, and 30 #5s. When and if our favorite team decides to move Rosario, the potential pool would include falling #2s, #3s, and rising #4s and #5s. I don't see a problem picking up a starter, our FO feels they can trust starting a play-off game.

 

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 04:39 PM

 

the Mets have JD Davis and Michael Conforto in LF and RF. Both younger than Rosario, both out-hitting Rosario.

The Mets weren't trading pitching for Rosario at the deadline and ain't this winter, either.

JD Davis may be having a career year with a bat but his iron glove at every position they have tried him at marks him for DH material that the Mets don't need.


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Posted 02 October 2019 - 10:50 PM

 

Nick Anderson continues his ascendance to majordomo status for the Rays bullpen in tonight's Wild Card game vs. the A's. 

 

After yielding a leadoff single to Greg Olson, he strikes out the next 4 straight (3 swinging) in 1.1 IP in the 8th and 9th innings. HIs velocity has actually ticked up in the postseason, with most of his FBs coming in at 97 and 98 MPH. And the big drop on his breaking ball had the A's hitters flummoxed. 

 

ESPN announcers noted that the Rays were 11-14 in 1-run games before Anderson joined the Rays, and 12-2 in 1-run games ever since.

 

Although the MLB braintrust and sponsors might have a heart attack, I think it would be amazing if Tampa Bay (with the lowest MLB payroll) and the Twins (TB and MN rank #1 and #2 in bullpen MLB fWAR since August 1) were to somehow knock off the vaunted Astros starting staff and the Yankees Murderers Row lineup, and then play late next week in the ALCS. 

 

 

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