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#81 Brock Beauchamp

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 05:30 PM

Does that include 2-0 pitches that are three inches below the strike zone? Looking for a good pitch to hit is great. Flailing away at ball three is a whole different thing.

Critiquing single pitches a batter faces is a bad strategy.

Baseball is hard. Sano has shown himself to be an extraordinary hitter for a couple of months now. He has fantastic plate discipline.

But he’s also kinda bad at contact and that's including the improved version of Sano.

Even Barry Bonds swung at bad pitches and missed pitches in the zone. If this game was so easy, .406 wouldn’t be a historical number to us.

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 05:43 PM

Concur... He should only be re-signed if it's not possible to sign Big Mike or Odorizzi first.


This Gibby Bobo finally has to agree. I'd rather go to battle with big Mike or Odo or both

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 05:49 PM

I'll take Gibson's reliable mediocrity over Pineda not pitching for 1/3rd or more of a season.

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 06:02 PM

I'll take Gibson's reliable mediocrity over Pineda not pitching for 1/3rd or more of a season.

Maybe but properly managed Big Mike may just prove you wrong this fall.
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#85 Mike Sixel

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 06:10 PM

Maybe but properly managed Big Mike may just prove you wrong this fall.


When did he last pitch even 2/3 of a year?

It's been a fun year so far, GO Twins. 


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Posted 20 August 2019 - 06:30 PM

 

Cave is a terrible defender. And look at that slugging percentage you cited.

 

Both of these points are noted in the OP.Nice to know we're in agreement.Cheers!

 

Defensively there's no comparison between Cave and Buxton or Kepler...

However, if Cave keeps... closing in SLG...


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Posted 20 August 2019 - 07:50 PM

When did he last pitch even 2/3 of a year?

What I'm saying is yes we know the Big Mike will have trouble with his knees etc but if he is rested headed into the post season he could be one of our most valuable pitchers.

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 07:57 PM

 

No. 100% no. He isn't that great and he's terrible in the field. 

 

Please read the post.Note use of the words "development" and "no comparison."

 

Here are Cave's International League numbers:.352 / .393 / .592.At the start of his current call-up, the man was hitting a buck-ninety, so it could be hoped that he would figure out ML pitching and begin to approach his AAA marks.The steady increase in all three of these indicators is evidence of this hoped-for improvement. 

 

[Note that as of the bottom of the 5th in the White Sox game on the 20th, Cave is 1 for 2 with a run scored and now has an 8-game hitting streak.]

 

Can we get some agreement that there is indeed "no comparison" between Cave and Buxton or Kepler defensively?Thank you.There is hope that he can work on his skill set in this department, but one thing at a time.

 

My money would _not_ be on Cave growing into an ML superstar either offensively or defensively.This post is about a trend in his offensive maturation that could make him a contributor to the team's success, and perhaps relieve a little of the worry about daily wear-and-tear Buxton inflicts on himself.

 

Bottom line:Don't hate Cave because he's not as good as his teammates.Coach him and find a place for him to contribute, because he's a Twin at least for the remainder of the year.

Edited by VivaBomboRivera!, 20 August 2019 - 08:18 PM.

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#89 VivaBomboRivera!

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 08:08 PM

 

I blame Roy

 

Just don't blame the squirrel.

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 08:58 PM

Does that include 2-0 pitches that are three inches below the strike zone? Looking for a good pitch to hit is great. Flailing away at ball three is a whole different thing.


I was responding to the idea that he shouldn't be swinging on a 2-0 count.

Hitting major league pitching is hard.
If I had to guess, I'd imagine he thought he was swinging at a pitch in the zone when he committed to his swing.

#91 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 08:59 PM

One way of looking at it ... where is he among #3's on playoff caliber teams, because that's what we're trying to be.


I was responding to a post that claimed he should be at best a 4 or 5 on a bad team.

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 09:40 PM

Both of these points are noted in the OP. Nice to know we're in agreement. Cheers!

Defensively there's no comparison between Cave and Buxton or Kepler...
However, if Cave keeps... closing in SLG...


Well then what’s weird is drawing the conclusion that it might be a good idea to get Cave more playing time.

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 09:54 PM

 

Well then what’s weird is drawing the conclusion that it might be a good idea to get Cave more playing time.

 

That conclusion was not drawn.

 

The point is, as long as he is on the club, he is going to get playing time.The expectation is that his offense will improve so that he will not be a liability when he is in the lineup.The problem to be solved as a manager is how to get the best out of him for the team.

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 10:32 PM

 

Just don't blame the squirrel.

Thank you!

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 10:40 PM

 

Thank you!

 

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 09:17 AM

What I'm saying is yes we know the Big Mike will have trouble with his knees etc but if he is rested headed into the post season he could be one of our most valuable pitchers.


I thought we were discussing which was a safer bet to add value for next year..... But maybe not, hard to say

It's been a fun year so far, GO Twins. 


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Posted 21 August 2019 - 10:08 AM

 

Please read the post.Note use of the words "development" and "no comparison."

 

Here are Cave's International League numbers:.352 / .393 / .592.At the start of his current call-up, the man was hitting a buck-ninety, so it could be hoped that he would figure out ML pitching and begin to approach his AAA marks.The steady increase in all three of these indicators is evidence of this hoped-for improvement. 

 

[Note that as of the bottom of the 5th in the White Sox game on the 20th, Cave is 1 for 2 with a run scored and now has an 8-game hitting streak.]

 

Can we get some agreement that there is indeed "no comparison" between Cave and Buxton or Kepler defensively?Thank you.There is hope that he can work on his skill set in this department, but one thing at a time.

 

My money would _not_ be on Cave growing into an ML superstar either offensively or defensively.This post is about a trend in his offensive maturation that could make him a contributor to the team's success, and perhaps relieve a little of the worry about daily wear-and-tear Buxton inflicts on himself.

 

Bottom line:Don't hate Cave because he's not as good as his teammates.Coach him and find a place for him to contribute, because he's a Twin at least for the remainder of the year.

 

I mean, I get where you are coming from. He's good to give guys a blow, and he can hit a little. But you made it sounds like you wanted to use him as a platoon player. Yes, right now he is getting time because Buxton is out. Once Buxton gets back though, I would only like to see him play 1 game a week or less. 

 

He's a 4th/5th outfielder and if I had to choice between him and Marwin, I go with Marwin 100/100 times. In a playoff series, I wouldn't let him see the field unless absolutely necessary. I would actually even think twice about him even being on a playoff roster.




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