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#61 jimbo92107

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Posted 16 August 2019 - 05:54 PM

How about they just play the damn game and not deliberately try to injure each other? I don't buy tickets to watch umpires come center stage, and I don't buy tickets to watch grumpy men express their false machismo. Most of all, I don't buy "rules" that are so shameful that brave men are too chicken to write them down on paper. 

 

I believe in specialties and division of labor. Let boxers and MMA guys punch and kick each other for money. Baseball players are supposed to play baseball, period. We don't need them to remind us of the good old days of barbaric social ineptitude. 

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Posted 16 August 2019 - 06:07 PM

 

So your issue is how sportsmanship is enforced in baseball?

 

Do you agree with the unwritten rule that you don't swing at a 3-0 pitch late in a blowout? And do you believe that's an appropriate display of sportsmanship?

 

I'm honestly curious what people think on some of this.

 

Rather than the whole "unwritten rules" business, let's just give teams the right to 'call it" ... let the Ranger say "enough, we can call off the game now."

 

But they won't do that, will they?

 

So instead, we're supposed to go through this charade of "playing out the game," even though the team that's ahead has to "really not try 100%" to get hits and score runs.

 

Question ... why didn't the Ranger hitters just go up and swing & miss at every pitch at the end, to get the game over with?Why were they still trying to get hits and score runs, if the game was over?

 

If Kepler had been hit in the head, or on the wrist, and been injured so he'd miss time, this would be a whole lot bigger deal.

 

The "unwritten rules" are all about "pride."Yeah, well ... "excessive pride" causes all sorts of problems. 

 

Don't want to give up hits on 3-0 counts?Throw strikes. 

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Posted 16 August 2019 - 06:18 PM

 

If they are still playing full force why can't both teams? I mean otherwise just have a slaughter rule and call the game. 

If the Rangers had told the Twins they were going to stop trying to win the game then the Twins would also have stopped trying and Rocco would have told Cave not to try to get a hit. But since that didn't happen Cave was justified in doing what he did. And the Rangers' pitcher and manager should have been ejected

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Posted 16 August 2019 - 07:25 PM

The bigger concern in my mind, at least based on what the radio guys discussed tonight, is not that Cave swung but that Cave apparently missed a take sign.

 

Dude -- if you're worried about playing time, missing signs ain't going to help you. 


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Posted 16 August 2019 - 07:40 PM

 

Notice that Bremer and Smalley were surprised Cave swung 3 and 0. They know the "rule." Tommy Watkins knows the "rule"--that's why he said something to Cave at first base. Cave knows the "rule"--he likely had the count wrong in his mind at that time, so he swung the bat at the pitch. 

Who cares?This is just foolish.A batter should go for a hit no matter the score

 

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Posted 16 August 2019 - 07:43 PM

Interesting Article about "blowouts".... https://sports.yahoo...ZnP1WvYJgYkvm0Q


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Posted 16 August 2019 - 08:07 PM

Back when I was coaching. I remember being down 10 zip or something ridiculous like that. 

 

The other team had a runner on 3B with nobody out and my pitcher uncorked a wild pitch and the opposing coach held up the stop sign, yelling stay stay stay, freezing the runner in his tracks when he would have easily scored. 

 

I called time... Walked right past my pitcher and over to the opposing coach in the third base box and said "I appreciate what you are doing but please don't do that. I'm telling my kids to compete regardless of the score, I'm telling them that I want them to try to win the rest of the game and I'd appreciate it if you do the same so it means something if we do, Besides... I consider holding up your runner more embarrassing then the actual wild pitch... or the scoreboard". 

 

I think we ended up losing the game 84 to 1 but I'll do that every time. 

 

If 15 year-old baseball players can handle it... so can grown men making large amounts of cash. 

 

There is never a time to throw at a batter. 

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Posted 16 August 2019 - 08:25 PM

Seems a generational gap here. Lol. I had the opposite experience in coaching a Legion game. We were completely outmanned by a team that had been in the state high school tourney that year. They were up ten, we had one AB left before the "mercy rule" kicked in. They tried to squeeze a run in from third. I didn't go tell that coach to keep trying, I told him to look at the damn scoreboard! And I asked him what the hell he thought he was doing. Some here think an unwritten rule is poor sportsmanship. So what is piling on? While I give Cave credit for apologizing, he was an idiot. And I bet that's exactly what he got told at 1B. Does anyone remember a few years ago when someone on the Twins did something comparatively stupid, the next guy got plunked. He didn't go after the pitcher, he went into the dugout after his teammate. Well played! I went to one of my 11 year old grandsons games this summer. The other team was far more talented, and rightfully was overwhelmingly ahead. Easily past a ten run lead. And they just kept stealing base after base, and scoring on passed balls. The only thing those opposing players learned that day was the unwritten rule of arrogance.
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Posted 16 August 2019 - 08:35 PM

 

Seems a generational gap here. Lol. I had the opposite experience in coaching a Legion game. We were completely outmanned by a team that had been in the state high school tourney that year. They were up ten, we had one AB left before the "mercy rule" kicked in. They tried to squeeze a run in from third. I didn't go tell that coach to keep trying, I told him to look at the damn scoreboard! And I asked him what the hell he thought he was doing. Some here think an unwritten rule is poor sportsmanship. So what is piling on? While I give Cave credit for apologizing, he was an idiot. And I bet that's exactly what he got told at 1B. Does anyone remember a few years ago when someone on the Twins did something comparatively stupid, the next guy got plunked. He didn't go after the pitcher, he went into the dugout after his teammate. Well played! I went to one of my 11 year old grandsons games this summer. The other team was far more talented, and rightfully was overwhelmingly ahead. Easily past a ten run lead. And they just kept stealing base after base, and scoring on passed balls. The only thing those opposing players learned that day was the unwritten rule of arrogance.

 

World of difference between 11 year olds, where there can be wild disparities in talent, and MLB, where there isn't.

 

Plunking Kepler because the guy before him swung at a 3-0 pitch is ridiculous.Throw at Cave next time you get the chance, if it's that big a deal - but it shouldn't be.

 

The Rangers were down 8 because "they earned it."That's not the Twins fault. If they wanted to walk off the field and say "no mas," that's what they should do - otherwise, don't throw a pitch and expect the batter not to try.

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Posted 16 August 2019 - 08:59 PM

 

Back when I was coaching. I remember being down 10 zip or something ridiculous like that. 

 

The other team had a runner on 3B with nobody out and my pitcher uncorked a wild pitch and the opposing coach held up the stop sign, yelling stay stay stay, freezing the runner in his tracks when he would have easily scored. 

 

I called time... Walked right past my pitcher and over to the opposing coach in the third base box and said "I appreciate what you are doing but please don't do that. I'm telling my kids to compete regardless of the score, I'm telling them that I want them to try to win the rest of the game and I'd appreciate it if you do the same so it means something if we do, Besides... I consider holding up your runner more embarrassing then the actual wild pitch... or the scoreboard". 

 

I think we ended up losing the game 84 to 1 but I'll do that every time. 

 

If 15 year-old baseball players can handle it... so can grown men making large amounts of cash. 

 

There is never a time to throw at a batter. 

Man, I would hate having someone that intense teaching kids. The opposing coach did the right thing.


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Posted 16 August 2019 - 09:14 PM

 

Man, I would hate having someone that intense teaching kids. The opposing coach did the right thing.

 

I'm retired. Your kids are safe. 

 

Although, I personally, don't consider asking players to keep playing, intense. 

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Posted 16 August 2019 - 09:37 PM

 

It is a common sense unwritten rule. You're up 8 in the 9th and the count is 3-0. You don't swing. Cave swung. The next better Kepler got beaned in the gentlest of possible ways. Kepler didn't get mad. Baldelli didn't get mad. It's baseball. This is how baseball is played. It's a great unwritten rule.

I disagree.It is not a sport unless you compete. That means try on every single pitch. 


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Posted 16 August 2019 - 09:51 PM

 

Man, I would hate having someone that intense teaching kids. The opposing coach did the right thing.

Yeah, when I coached and my teamwas up by a winning margin we stopped running. But we still hit away. To do less is to sacrifice your integrity.The game wants you to try every play. 

 

 


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Posted 17 August 2019 - 12:09 AM

Dumb play by a young guy followed by a harmless plunking of Kepler. Professionals policing themselves. Much ado about nothing.
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Posted 17 August 2019 - 02:11 AM

 

Dumb play by a young guy followed by a harmless plunking of Kepler. Professionals policing themselves. Much ado about nothing.

That sums it up.


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Posted 17 August 2019 - 04:17 AM

You teach kids to run station to station, but not to take pitches. Learning to hit is the most important part of their game.

These are pros, as mentioned earlier they police themselves. They didn’t need to hit Kepler, maybe throw behind him or high and tight to let them know what Cave did wasn’t appreciated. It’s not that big a deal.

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Posted 17 August 2019 - 04:21 AM

I thought for sure Odor would wear one in Toronto after pimping that HR down 17-3. I’m sure his own team wanted to see him plunked, lol.

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Posted 17 August 2019 - 05:19 AM

Well fortunately Caves Career wont be derailed by taking a 3-0 cookie in an 8 run game. :) More likely that will come if he keeps diving at sinking liners 6' from his glove? :(
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Posted 17 August 2019 - 07:20 AM

I think it has been proven that the Twins need EVERY run they can get.....

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Posted 17 August 2019 - 07:32 AM

My take on this situation is a little different. To me, you take a 3-0 pitch in a close game because the pitcher is having trouble finding the strike zone and you want him to work for an out. In a lop-sided game, swing away. Cave is likely to get a hit about once in four tries so the odds are in Texas' favor if he swings. As for "unwritten rules", write them down so everyone knows what they are. Or if they are too embarrassing to write down, get rid of them.
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