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#81 SwainZag

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Posted 09 August 2019 - 11:03 AM

 

This rotation is melting down. They can't win big games anymore and when they do have an okay start the bullpen completes the disaster.

 

I'm going to try and not let the last 3 games dictate if they are melting down or not. Previous to that they had won 8/10 and the rotation was pitching just fine.Next 3 games will be telling.


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Posted 09 August 2019 - 11:13 AM

 

With Colina, I kind of see him as being in a window where you're probably not going to be too worried about his options anyway. There are a lot of other pitchers in this system on a similar timeline, so I don't think you need to milk every ounce of service time/protect options for each and every one of them. But, that's just me, that's a very subjective take, not necessarily the "right" one.

 

It's too bad Alcala hasn't taken off as a reliever because he'd be the perfect guy to go to in this conversation otherwise. 

Again, it's not so much about Colina's own options or service time, but rather protecting other player assets. Adding Colina to the 40-man now could leave a player like Jax, Blankenhorn, etc. unprotected this winter (or leave us with less flexibility to claim the next Kirby Yates :) ).

 

I haven't crunched the numbers recently -- maybe we have enough spots to protect everyone we want this winter and still protect Colina.

 

But having just added Dobnak, planning to add Graterol soon, and hopefully bringing back Thorpe and considering Duran, we also have to consider how much opportunity we could even give Colina in MLB right now.

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Posted 09 August 2019 - 11:24 AM

Gibson's performance was even worse in person. He was awful last night.

 

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Posted 09 August 2019 - 11:32 AM

I'm going to try and not let the last 3 games dictate if they are melting down or not. Previous to that they had won 8/10 and the rotation was pitching just fine. Next 3 games will be telling.


Do you think they'll be facing teams like Miami, Chicago, and KC in the postseason?
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Posted 09 August 2019 - 12:13 PM

[quote name="Tom Froemming" post="897000" timestamp="1565367621

One last thing I want to add in regard to either a potential Graterol or Kirilloff move is at some point you have to do something. I can get behind the idea of building from within and trusting internal options. That's actually a lot of fun if you follow the minor league system. But if you're not going to be active in free agency, and you're not going to be active on the trade market, you have to do something somewhere.

At a certain point it does make some sense to push a prospect or two sooner than maybe you had originally intended to. Could end up being a disaster, but every once in a while you fall into a Luis Arraez situation. [/quote]

This is exactly right. Once the front office says they don’t like the prospect price in trade considerations.

At that point... They have committed to internal options.

I’m fine with that. It is the job of the front office to weigh the costs and all considerations.

But once the decision is made you must move forward.

Standing still is not an option.

So start calling guys up. We have holes in the bullpen and rotation.
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Posted 09 August 2019 - 12:19 PM

 

No, Gibson has not been good vs good teams. Did you really think 39 runs in 53 innings may have been good?

 

Berrios vs playoff hopefuls; 

 

10 starts, 62.2 innings, 24 earned runs. 3.45 ERA  

 

Odorrizzi vs playoff hopefuls; 

 

13 starts, 65.1 innings, 32 earned runs, 4.41 ERA

 

Pineda vs playoff hopefuls; 

 

9 starts, 47.2 innings, 22 earned runs, 4.15 ERA

No, I mean have you compared Gibby to other pitchers besides ours? I get that he hasn't pitched well but at the same time, fangraphs has only 13 pitchers in the AL ahead of him in WAR. He'd lead the Yankees in WAR, for instance. Domingo German has a 5.40 era against playoff hopefuls, I believe. Tanaka is 5.28 or so. 

 

The point being, I'm not convinced SSS of random teams is all that helpful.

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Posted 09 August 2019 - 12:25 PM

 

Do you think they'll be facing teams like Miami, Chicago, and KC in the postseason?

 

No but I don't think they will give up 6 ER in the 1st couple innings of every game either.


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Posted 09 August 2019 - 01:10 PM

Kyle Gibson Career Numbers

 

Pitching to Castro: 5.56 ERA, 1.62 K:BB ratio, .788 opponent OPS in 137.2 IP

Pitching to Garver: 3.23 ERA, 2.85 K:BB ratio, .665 opponent OPS in 136.2 IP

 

Just something to consider going forward ...

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Posted 09 August 2019 - 01:23 PM

1.73 ERA in 26 innings vs CWS and Baltimore, if the Twins face one of those teams in the playoffs Gibson will be ready to go.

4.88 ERA vs everyone else.


if you told me that our opponent in a 7 game series scored between 4 and 5 runs every game, I'd take my chances with our bats.

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Posted 09 August 2019 - 01:32 PM

Things are getting worse. Cruz on the DL for 10 days with a wrist strain. Stashak up to replace him on the roster. Think Sano will hit #3 in the order tonight? He'll need to play every game now. 


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Posted 09 August 2019 - 01:57 PM

Kyle Gibson Career Numbers

Pitching to Castro: 5.56 ERA, 1.62 K:BB ratio, .788 opponent OPS in 137.2 IP
Pitching to Garver: 3.23 ERA, 2.85 K:BB ratio, .665 opponent OPS in 136.2 IP

Just something to consider going forward ...


His career numbers with Castro includes 2017 before he overhauled his approach and got better. Not a fair comparison IMO.
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Posted 09 August 2019 - 02:08 PM

 

if you told me that our opponent in a 7 game series scored between 4 and 5 runs every game, I'd take my chances with our bats.

 

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#93 Tom Froemming

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Posted 09 August 2019 - 02:42 PM

 

His career numbers with Castro includes 2017 before he overhauled his approach and got better. Not a fair comparison IMO.

Not as even of a distribution, but here's Kyle Gibson 2019 splits

Castro: 6.75 ERA, 1.57 K:BB ratio, .796 OPS in 36.0 IP

Garver: 3.36 ERA, 3.79 K:BB ratio, .673 OPS in 72.1 IP

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Posted 09 August 2019 - 03:50 PM

Not as even of a distribution, but here's Kyle Gibson 2019 splits
Castro: 6.75 ERA, 1.57 K:BB ratio, .796 OPS in 36.0 IP
Garver: 3.36 ERA, 3.79 K:BB ratio, .673 OPS in 72.1 IP


Without seeing a game log my assumption is Castro is his catcher when they play against contenders and Garver is his catcher against non contenders.

Would love to know what you're using to dig through the numbers myself.

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Posted 09 August 2019 - 03:55 PM

 

Without seeing a game log my assumption is Castro is his catcher when they play against contenders and Garver is his catcher against non contenders.

Would love to know what you're using to dig through the numbers myself.

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Posted 13 August 2019 - 01:06 PM

Is everyone still on board with signing Gibson to an extension?Just asking the question.


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Posted 13 August 2019 - 01:16 PM

Is everyone still on board with signing Gibson to an extension? Just asking the question.


He would be 3rd on my priority list actually... I'd rank them Big Mike, Odorizzi, then Gibson.

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Posted 13 August 2019 - 01:56 PM

 

Is everyone still on board with signing Gibson to an extension?Just asking the question.

Put me down for a QO.

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Posted 13 August 2019 - 02:07 PM

 

Is everyone still on board with signing Gibson to an extension?Just asking the question.

 

A fresh start with a new organization may be in everybody's best interest.  


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Posted 13 August 2019 - 03:57 PM

Is everyone still on board with signing Gibson to an extension? Just asking the question.


No. But I don't believe I've ever been on board with that.
If they want to QO him, fine. But no multi year commitment.



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