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#1 SpiritofVodkaDave

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:24 AM

Would you think about bringing him back on a 1 year, 2-3 mil (+incentives) deal?

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:32 AM

Would you think about bringing him back on a 1 year, 2-3 mil (+incentives) deal?


Yes

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:47 AM

At this point, I'd just rather move on.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:49 AM

To start? No, I've seen enough of that. I think the Twins should be targetting better pitchers than Liriano. De Vries and Deduno may be better than Frankie at this point.

I'd consider bringing him back as a reliever, but not for that much money.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:03 AM

No f'in way. Let the past be in the past. If you're going to make cosmetic changes in the coaching staff, you do the same on the field.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:49 AM

No no no no no no no no no no!!!!!!!!

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 12:06 PM

I wouldn't mind; he'd be no worse than the junk-bin pitchers the Twins continually sign most off-seasons, but I think the front office would be stupid to consider it. If they want to show they are moving in a new (winning) direction, they probably should try to show the fans different faces instead of the guys assiciated with the recent losing. This stratagy would proabably also include cutting ties with the likes of Baker, Pavano, Capps, Butera and Casilla. However, the Twins have had a hard time quitting the scholarship program, so this off season I'll be most interested to see if Terry Ryan has the stomach to end the Old Boys Club approach.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 12:19 PM

No save the money for the sweet swinging DeRosa.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 12:49 PM

I think he'll probably cost a little more than that, but I'd be in favor of bringing him back on a one-year deal. Still only 29 and there's quite a bit of upside there. Are people forgetting what a world-beater he was for three months before the Twins traded him?

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 12:55 PM

I think he'll probably cost a little more than that, but I'd be in favor of bringing him back on a one-year deal. Still only 29 and there's quite a bit of upside there. Are people forgetting what a world-beater he was for three months before the Twins traded him?


Yeah thats true, but I can't see it being much more than 5 million. He really killed his value by struggling for the Sox down the stretch.

I'd just we rather bring in Liriano then the next Ramon Ortiz, Hernandez, Marquis etc etc I'm not sure I would give him 5 million though, maybe 1 year 3 million that goes up to 5 million if he pitches 180 IP

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:20 PM

I would rather have my hair set on fire and have it extinguished with a sledge hammer... I can't believe you would even bring up the topic. If he was the last pitcher left on the planet, I would pick Drew Butera ahead of him.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:28 PM

Yes. There's a decent chance he'd be the best starter on the 2013 Twins, regardless who else they add this winter.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:47 PM

Not for the $5 mil suggested, but $2-3, maybe. It's such a tough call because of how inconsistent he is. Overall, we have an idea of what he's going to give you and I think it's time where the Twins just part ways with him.

No, I haven't forgotten about how he was lights out before the trade. I also haven't forgotten about how he pitched in 2011 either.

You can come up with statistics to prove anything. Forty percent of all people know that.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 01:58 PM

time to cut the chord guys. As hard as it is to let Liriano go...it must be done.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 02:21 PM

I think he'll probably cost a little more than that, but I'd be in favor of bringing him back on a one-year deal. Still only 29 and there's quite a bit of upside there. Are people forgetting what a world-beater he was for three months before the Twins traded him?


He had a good June.... but an awful year. Liriano hasn't been a world-beater since 2006.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:11 PM

If Liriano was a "world beater" this year who has a "decent" chance of being our best starter - I can only imagine what a pitching god like Bruce Chen, Henderson Alvarez, or Luke Hochever would be worth on the open market.

Just a hint, if three months of very good pitching still isn't enough to drop your ERA below 5 - you shouldn't be gushed about. At all. You're a hope and a prayer, not a sound investment.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:14 PM

If Liriano was a "world beater" this year who has a "decent" chance of being our best starter - I can only imagine what a pitching god like Bruce Chen, Henderson Alvarez, or Luke Hochever would be worth on the open market.

Just a hint, if three months of very good pitching still isn't enough to drop your ERA below 5 - you shouldn't be gushed about. At all. You're a hope and a prayer, not a sound investment.


I'm not saying he would be a world beater, but I would rather give him 2-3 mil then the next Marquis. At least with a guy like Liriano there is that hope that he becomes a nice bargain.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:19 PM

I think he'll probably cost a little more than that, but I'd be in favor of bringing him back on a one-year deal. Still only 29 and there's quite a bit of upside there. Are people forgetting what a world-beater he was for three months before the Twins traded him?


He wasn't exactly facing the 27 Yanks in that little 10 game run. 3 NL teams, Oak twice, KC twice, White Sox, Balt and TX. Some good offensive teams in there but a lot of bad lineups, too. TX game was fluky - 6 walks and 5 hits but only 1 run. And it wasn't like he got better in Chicago. Those 10 games were about all that went right for him last year.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:22 PM

Is the hope that our new pitching coach will see something nobody else has? If not, then I say no. I would prefer a perhaps left gifted but more stable performer.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 08:39 PM

I bet the Yanks will sign him to a 3 to 4 year deal.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:19 PM

If there is any team that could get the maximum out of Liriano I would say it would be the Rays. They get everybody else's best, why not his?

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:24 PM

And, oh by the way, Liriano had a 5.40 ERA with Chicago and his WHIP was higher, BB/9 was higher, SO/9 was lower and SO/BB was lower. Yeah he really improved with the change of scenery. Leave him be, hell he might be out of baseball and playing slow pitch softball with Delmon Young in 2 or 3 years,

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:39 PM

I think he'll probably cost a little more than that, but I'd be in favor of bringing him back on a one-year deal. Still only 29 and there's quite a bit of upside there. Are people forgetting what a world-beater he was for three months before the Twins traded him?


He wasn't exactly facing the 27 Yanks in that little 10 game run. 3 NL teams, Oak twice, KC twice, White Sox, Balt and TX. Some good offensive teams in there but a lot of bad lineups, too. TX game was fluky - 6 walks and 5 hits but only 1 run. And it wasn't like he got better in Chicago. Those 10 games were about all that went right for him last year.


Absolutely forget about him.....but with MIL & Pitt bein 2 of the 3 NL team.....his only bad teams he faced were CHI-C, & KC, other 7 were contenders & playoff teams.
Forget about saying he'll pitch for incentives.....players who arent injured dont do that.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:07 PM

Having Liriano come back is only slightly less "out there" than thinking a healthy Josh Johnson would bypass the prime years of free agency for a discount of 4 years/75 million. The only way to bring back a Liriano is on a minor league contract.

Edited by old nurse, 12 October 2012 - 10:10 PM.


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Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:18 PM

I have no problem with Liriano on a minor league deal or a 1 yr - 3 million dollar type of thing.

If we could get a hot month or two out of him, he'd be worth it.

If he starts struggling, well, we send him down and see what happens.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:43 AM

im guessing we sign nothing but has beens or never weres... its the twins way , so if we wont shell out for starters , at least they can do is get 3-4 more quality relievers...and if frankie is cheap enough and willing why not try him as a 1 inning reliever instead of a long man out of the pen?
i remember watching him prior to being sent to the pen last year and wondering ,geez the 1st inning he is lights out and by the 2nd or 3rd inning i want to hang him...

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:39 PM

No. There's a decent chance he'd be the worst starter on the 2013 Twins, regardless who else they add this winter.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:51 PM

If he would accept it, there's little risk and huge reward. He could either waste 2mil, boost us into respectability, or get us a decent prospect at the deadline.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:34 PM

Liriano will probably sign for about $7-8 M a year. Look at the contract the Twins signed with Marquis, Capps and Pavano. There is no way that Liriano signs for $3M or so...
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 04:34 PM

Liriano is not going to get 7 mil. He is rocking a 5.23 ERA the last two seasons, teams will take a chance on him no doubt, but not for 7-8 mil.