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#21 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 11:58 AM

It was Houston's #3, #4, #5, and #22 prospects, which are fairly close to what was listed above.

If you want to substitute Duran for Graterol, then it may be closer. But that is still giving up a ton for a 35 year old

Only one of their prospects was ranked in the top 100, and he was exactly #100.

They slotted in at 4,12,13 and unranked in the Diamondbacks system. And one of them is out for the year with Tommy John.

So, if that is really where they ranked in Houston's system, then Houston's system was awful.

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#22 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 12:07 PM

I'd say a more comparable package would be:
Larnach
Enlow
Gonsalves
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#23 biggentleben

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Posted 02 August 2019 - 04:57 PM

Greinke was never waiving anything for the Yankees. Diamondbacks talked with him Wednesday morning and assured him that they would not move him to a team that he would have to give permission to be traded to. That would have knocked out the Twins as well. The Astros and Braves were the two notable late negotiators as they were both on his no-trade, but the Braves dropped off when the Astros were willing to deal with the D-backs eating less than $30M of the deferred money on the deal.

 

Those who want to put a Twins comp on this...

 

Beer = Rooker

Bukauskas/Martin = Duran and Gonalves OR Enlow and Thorpe

Rojas = Blankenhorn or Jose Miranda

 

The Astros system has seen a handful of arms graduate this year (Martin would have as well if not for TJS), so their depth was already significantly down, but now they're essentially two top-10/15 guys and then no one else in the top 150/200 of prospects.

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Posted 02 August 2019 - 05:04 PM

the Braves dropped off when the Astros were willing to deal with the D-backs eating less than $30M of the deferred money on the deal.


What's your take on the Braves dropping out? Seems like they could have absorbed the money (especially if they didn't take Melancon), and then swapped Greinke into the rotation for Gausman.

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Posted 04 August 2019 - 11:05 PM

 

What's your take on the Braves dropping out? Seems like they could have absorbed the money (especially if they didn't take Melancon), and then swapped Greinke into the rotation for Gausman.

 

The stated goal a few times in the press from this front office has been to clear the books and identify the future core of the franchise with an eye to going in heavy into FA in 2019-2020 once the first wave of prospects has had a chance to hit and make their impact. That has happened, and the notable need is a starter.

 

This deal almost certainly means Gerrit Cole hits the market as the Braves were in on him, but their focus was on pulling off both Cole and McCutchen in the same deal. With that available money that's not going to Greinke, the team should be able to pursue Cole, which I'd prefer.

 

What I was surprised by is the cost. Much like the Twins could have taken on the prospect cost quite easily without hurting the overall system depth, the Braves could have absorbed the Greinke deal, and while Kiley McDaniel rated the team's impending 40-man issues as "not an issue" for the trade deadline, it would not surprise me one bit to see the Braves make some moves early in the 2019-2020 offseason using guys that will need to be protected this upcoming offseason, as the list is beginning to get long, and the Braves have a young team that they won't likely create much turnover year-to-year.

 

That all said, the only reliever acquired at the deadline that won't be back is the guy who might be the easiest one to bring back this offseason before he actually hits the FA market if he shows well with the Braves through the end of the year (Chris Martin). This wasn't a load-up-for-2019 deadline in Atlanta, and that does show fans that this isn't going to be a one-time shot as an organization, which should excite the fan base...then again, many remember the attendance at the end of the Braves division title streak, so who knows how it will translate.

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 08:56 AM

 

With that available money that's not going to Greinke, the team should be able to pursue Cole, which I'd prefer.

That's fair.

 

I guess the Braves do have a solid lead in the division already this year, and they seem to have 4 decent starters at the moment -- but how many innings will Fried be able to go? His pro high is 120, and he's already at 115 with 10 more rotation turns left in the regular season, then the postseason.

 

Personally I'd prefer Greinke, on anything close to the Astros deal, with an eye toward using Fried out of the pen this postseason (that could have saved you from Melancon's deal too). There's going to be some competition for Cole this winter, the contract could be quite long/large, and even if you do land him, that doesn't help for 2019.