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Twins Moving on From SP Trade Targets?

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#101 Mr. Brooks

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Posted 30 July 2019 - 05:02 PM

I thought I read somewhere that they were going to cut him off around 150?


If so, that's news to me. Haven't heard anything like that before.

A quick Google search for Michael Pineda innings limit didn't bring anything of relevance either.

If he's healthy, which by all accounts he is, it'd be near impossible to shut him down until September, when rosters expand.

You can't send him down, and he can't be IL'd if he's healthy and pitching well. And you obviously can't carry him on the active roster if he isn't going to pitch.

Moving him to the bullpen could be an option, but you'd have to do it immediately. Even one more start would make it pretty tough to keep his innings under 150.

#102 Twodogs

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Posted 30 July 2019 - 06:27 PM

Ray is definitely pretty intriguing with his high strikeout numbers. However, throwing a lefty against power hitting righties of the Yankees and Astros always feels like a risk, but surprisingly the Yankees are just 16-14 vs lefty starters this year, and have the league's best record vs righites, although the Astros are an amazing 23-7 against left handed starters. The other concerns about Ray are his .776 OPS vs RHB, his high HR rate (1.6 per 9 which is about on track with his career pace when you adjust to the ball being juiced) and high walk rate (4.0 per 9) that might make it hard to go deep in to postseason starts. Still, I think he probably slots in at number 2 in the rotation for now. As for the inning restrictions, I don't expect much if anything for Perez, since he got a total of 102 when you include the minors, and had pitched at least 185 in the 2 years before that. The reason he only got 85 in the majors last is just that he was terrible. With Pineda, however, I think they'll be much more cautious coming down the stretch like we saw at the beginning of the year. If he shows any signs of regression or decreased velocity in September, or we're in a comfortable spot in the standings, they'll probably shorten his starts where he can stay in his groove but not get overused, and they'll have the expanded rosters to pick up his innings.


Left handed starters are so important against teams like the Yankees and Red Sox because of the band boxes they play in. The Right field wall is within spitting distance of home plate, so lefties help in those situations. If Pineda is a FA at the end of the season why would the Twins be worried about innings?? I totally understand when you got a guy who is young or under control for 3 or 4 more years you want to save a dude like that, but we are talking about a guy who might be gone at the end of the year why not use him up? Also the more innings he throws probably helps him in free agency. Like see, ain't nothing wrong with my arm. Etc....

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#103 Shaitan

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Posted 30 July 2019 - 06:31 PM

 

Not really a fair assessment. The other two we gave up were picked up and no way the rest of the pen would have cleared waivers.Romo should help and I am hoping for Kennedy.I would also really like Lance Lynn if not too costly. 16 of 22 quality starts is ridick.Also, although I have been told we won't see Brusdar Graterol this season he just had a clean inning in rehab with reports of constant 100 mph.He was absolutely on track before going on the IL.If he stays healthy I can't imagine he won't be up here for the stretch run in September.

 

Did they make any changes to the roster rules involving post-season (along with the deadline change)?


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Posted 30 July 2019 - 06:33 PM

I'd like to see Giles and Kennedy. 7 8 and 9 are taken care of with those two and Rogers. Then you have Duffy, May, Harper and Romo for 5th and 6th and someone like Perez who I assume is the 5th starter for in case of extra innings etc... The asking price on Giles can't be that much if the gave up Stroman for nothing?

If they for some reason made the WS and they had to play National League then you drop one of Duffy, Harper or May so as to add another bench player??

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#105 KirbyDome89

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Posted 30 July 2019 - 07:06 PM

 

All that is fair.But I don't think it's unique to the Twins.What do you think the Yankees are saying to their fanbase right now? The same kind of spin. 

 

Where I have an objection is those who want to take "always being in on guys" and not getting them to equate to incompetence.  

 

Literally, like only a handful of competing teams have made deals, and the Twins are one of them (Romo).The biggest name to go, went a team not even competitive.I get that we're frustrated, but that frustration probably isn't unique to our fanbase, and probably isn't a direct result of the front office's unique strategy. 

The spin certainly isn't, I'm sure every club has a certain amount of local media in their pocket, but I would add that markets like NY tend to hold their clubs more accountable. 

 

Agreed, it's unrealistic to expect them to hit 1.000, especially when we're talking FA. I also think they FO has talked themselves into corners at times and that's added to the fire. 

 

I'd argue the opposite on your last point. The frustration isn't unique, but the situation the Twins are in certainly is. How many first place teams, or potential playoff teams for that matter, could DFA their 8th inning set up man, and watch him go unclaimed by the rest of the league just before the deadline? In that regard I don't think it's accurate to use other teams as the measuring stick for the deadline activity of the Twins. Their current situation is a direct result of the FO's bullpen strategy. 

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#106 PseudoSABR

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Posted 30 July 2019 - 07:42 PM

 

I'd argue the opposite on your last point. The frustration isn't unique, but the situation the Twins are in certainly is. How many first place teams, or potential playoff teams for that matter, could DFA their 8th inning set up man, and watch him go unclaimed by the rest of the league just before the deadline? In that regard I don't think it's accurate to use other teams as the measuring stick for the deadline activity of the Twins. Their current situation is a direct result of the FO's bullpen strategy. 

Look, I agree on this last point, but that's different from evaluating how they approach the trade deadline.They clearly boxed themselves in on their failure to acquire more bullpen help in the offseason.And that's inexcusable. 


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Posted 30 July 2019 - 09:20 PM

 

Left handed starters are so important against teams like the Yankees and Red Sox because of the band boxes they play in. The Right field wall is within spitting distance of home plate, so lefties help in those situations. If Pineda is a FA at the end of the season why would the Twins be worried about innings?? I totally understand when you got a guy who is young or under control for 3 or 4 more years you want to save a dude like that, but we are talking about a guy who might be gone at the end of the year why not use him up? Also the more innings he throws probably helps him in free agency. Like see, ain't nothing wrong with my arm. Etc....

That is true, probably partly why the Yankees are 16-14 vs lefties. I think we'll be cautious about innings with Pineda because he missed all of last year and hasn't ever thrown 180 in one season. As we would want with all of our starters, we'll want to make sure he's fresh and ready for the playoffs, because if he's overused after taking a year off he could lose velocity, and right now you could argue he's been our second best pitcher for the last month or so.




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