Jump to content

Providing independent coverage of the Minnesota Twins.
Photo

Twins Moving on From SP Trade Targets?

noah syndergaard marcus stroman
  • Please log in to reply
106 replies to this topic

#1 Nick Nelson

Nick Nelson

    Owner

  • Owner
  • 3,862 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 08:30 PM

Per La Velle in his latest at the Star Trib: Denied a top-line starter in trade talks, Twins turn to Plan B

 

According to multiple sources with knowledge of talks, the Twins discussed trade scenarios with Toronto about righthander Marcus Stroman before the All-Star starting pitcher was dealt to the Mets. They also inquired about Mets righthander Noah Syndergaard before being turned off by New York’s high asking price, which included Byron Buxton.

 

With those two targets no longer viable, the Twins could instead look to adding another bullpen arm before the deadline, a market in which Toronto’s Daniel Hudson, San Diego’s Kirby Yates, Arizona teammates Greg Holland and Archie Bradley, Baltimore’s Mychal Givens and others could emerge as targets.

 

 

 

I gotta say, the notion that Syndergaard is "no longer viable" seems dubious to me. There's still a ways to go until Wednesday afternoon's deadline. Posturing and misdirection are common around this time. The Mets are dreaming if they think they're going to get an established young big-leaguer of Buxton's caliber.

 

However, if the report is indeed true, it sounds like the Twins are fully swinging their focus to the bullpen. Thoughts?

  • Jerr, big dog, Dman and 4 others like this

#2 Bandit34

Bandit34

    Ft Myers Miracle

  • Member
  • 338 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 08:36 PM

I don't trust Berrios in a must win situation.

I certainly don't trust Gibson in a must win situation.

Odorizzi is a definite no-go in a must win situation.

Not sure about Pineda. 

Perez? No, of course not. 

 

Even though I am not a huge fan of Buxton, that is about the biggest joke to be asking for him. 

  • James, Reider, lukeduke1980 and 3 others like this

#3 Bandit34

Bandit34

    Ft Myers Miracle

  • Member
  • 338 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 08:38 PM

We definitely should have knocked the door down on Stroman. Should have went bold on him. 

  • David HK likes this

#4 milldaddy35

milldaddy35

    Official Bat Boy

  • Member
  • 2,970 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 08:42 PM

Can't blame them for that. Apparently they tried on Stroman, but the Blue Jays never circled back to get a counter offer. I find it hard to believe none of the contending teams would give a top 100 guy. Seems like the Blue Jays settled. Only other starter that I think is a real upgrade is Zack Grienke, and he has a NTC to the Twins.

 

However, if they are going to go for bullpen, please go all in. I'm talking about Edwin Diaz/Kirby Yates/Ken Giles, plus Ian Kennedy or Michael Givens. You HAVE to get at least two more arms. Anything less and I would consider it a fail, unless the only other arm added is from one of those three first names listed. If they only add a Kennedy type, then I don't think it's enough. If you're sticking in that camp, need two more. 

  • pbrezeasap, AlwaysinModeration, spanman2 and 3 others like this

Career Game Thread Record: 18-6

 

Safe to say I am the key to the Twins' success 


#5 Danchat

Danchat

    Pro Bowl Armchair QB

  • Member
  • 5,089 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 08:53 PM

I doubt that was the end of negotiations, as I could imagine they could re-open talks on Wednesday. But they're asked for Buxton / Kiriloff & Lewis, so it seems they want a humongous sum, so I can't blame the Twins for backing away.

 

Here's hoping they can land a top-end reliever. From that list, I'd really only like Yates.

Edited by Danchat, 29 July 2019 - 08:53 PM.

  • PseudoSABR, Dman and Dome Dogg like this

Check out my work at Purple Pain, a Vikings forum: 

Analyzing the Past Decade of Vikings Offseasons


#6 twinkiesfan11

twinkiesfan11

    Member

  • Member
  • 94 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 08:55 PM

Sounds like Falvey just needs to wait it out. New sellers will emerge and prices will probably come down in the final hours and minutes leading up to the deadline.

A focus on relievers sounds reasonable if prices are more favorable. I’d be just as happy with two more established relievers as one starter if the investment is roughly equal.

#7 Mr. Brooks

Mr. Brooks

    Senior Member

  • Member
  • 7,716 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 08:56 PM

I doubt that was the end of negotiations, as I could imagine they could re-open talks on Wednesday. But they're asked for Buxton / Kiriloff & Lewis, so it seems they want a humongous sum, so I can't blame the Twins for backing away.

Here's hoping they can land a top-end reliever. From that list, I'd really only like Yates.


With the current state of the bullpen, I like anyone and everyone on that, or most any other list.

As Chief said, this is a bullpen whose 8th inning setup man went unclaimed through waivers, a week before the deadline, with every contender looking for bullpen help.
  • KidBro likes this

#8 Shaitan

Shaitan

    Rochester Red Wings

  • Member
  • 1,118 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 08:57 PM

No on Givens.

  • Rigby and jz7233 like this

#9 jdoffing11

jdoffing11

    Elizabethton Twins

  • Member
  • 35 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 09:00 PM

 

I don't trust Berrios in a must win situation.

If you don't trust Berrios in a must win situation, then you'll be biting your nails anytime the Twins are in a must win situation. There's no one available that's better than Berrios, besides possibly 35 million a year of Zack Greinke, which is a short list to begin with anyways. That being said, I don't trust anyone else besides Berrios in a must win situation so if we get a starter I think it has to be someone who slots as a clear number two. Getting a 3 or 4 seems pointless, unless you plan to let all 3 FA starters walk or you want to have a guy who can come into the game in the playoffs and give 4/5 innings at a time, but even in that case, we may have found someone in Thorpe or Smeltzer who could do that so there's no reason to overpay in a seller's market.

  • 70charger, woolywoolhouse, Dman and 3 others like this

#10 spycake

spycake

    Senior Member

  • Member
  • 16,552 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 09:05 PM

From the Syndergaard thread:

I wonder what the motivation is for the “multiple sources” who told this to LaValle. Or even how serious the Mets were. (“We demand Buxton!” versus “how do you feel about Byron these days?”) Then, how the Mets feel about seeing this in print.

Sure enough, Lavelle was among those who reported 4 days ago that the Twins had talked to the Mets about Syndergaard, and that the Mets were interested in Lewis and Kirilloff:

http://m.startribune...high/513224672/

So reporting this Buxton thing now seems like an effort to deflect from the Lewis/Kirilloff question.

In any case, I knew it was a long shot, but my hopes for Syndergaard are pretty much dashed.
  • h2oface likes this

#11 sorney

sorney

    Senior Member

  • Member
  • 239 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 09:16 PM

I'm all for swinging big....but Buxton?!?!Please.Any prospects you want to talk about (including Lewis or Kirkiloff) sure, let's talk.Nice move by Twins walking away. 

  • soberbob likes this

#12 FlauerPauer

FlauerPauer

    Rochester Red Wings

  • Member
  • 1,087 posts
  • LocationSyracuse, NY

Posted 29 July 2019 - 09:19 PM

The more I think about Robbie Ray, the more I like what he brings to the table. Hard throwing lefty who would give the Twins a fighting chance against the Yankees and Astros. A starter might be a need more than a want considering that Perez and Pineda have to be getting to some sort of "innings limit". Pineda hasn't thrown this many innings in two years and Perez only threw 85ish last year.

  • nokomismod, DocBauer and In My La-Z-boy like this

#13 Tuba

Tuba

    Junior Member

  • Member
  • 182 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 09:21 PM

I think we should turn our attention to Greinke. We have a lot of salary coming off our already lower-than-last-year payroll. We should be looking to spend lots next season. Attendance and ratings are up, time to reward the fans. Minimal/no prospect loss. Moves the needle. No-trade clauses can typically be negotiated away. Improves bullpen by adding Perez/whichever starter.

 

If the market really is as constipated as it seems then I could be swayed on Givens-types if only because they ultimately likely represent an upgrade, however small.

 

 

  • 70charger and jdoffing11 like this

#14 stringer bell

stringer bell

    In the Twilight of a Mediocre Career

  • Moderator
  • 9,108 posts
  • LocationElgin, MN

Posted 29 July 2019 - 09:24 PM

They need relief pitchers if they want to win the division. Next year, they will need starters, or to re-sign at least two of the free agents they have at the end of this year (Pineda, Odorizzi, Gibson). How much better is Robbie Ray than Pérez? 

  • PseudoSABR, Dman and DocBauer like this

#15 spycake

spycake

    Senior Member

  • Member
  • 16,552 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 09:29 PM

So reporting this Buxton thing now seems like an effort to deflect from the Lewis/Kirilloff question.

  

I'm all for swinging big....but Buxton?!?!Please.Any prospects you want to talk about (including Lewis or Kirkiloff) sure, let's talk.Nice move by Twins walking away.


This is exactly what I was talking about. And this is the reaction that Lavelle's source was likely looking for by naming Buxton (a reaction they probably weren't getting 4 days ago after the initial report naming Lewis/Kirilloff).
  • sorney, jkcarew and Dome Dogg like this

#16 Dantes929

Dantes929

    Senior Member

  • Member
  • 2,589 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 09:32 PM

 

I don't trust Berrios in a must win situation.

I certainly don't trust Gibson in a must win situation.

Odorizzi is a definite no-go in a must win situation.

Not sure about Pineda. 

Perez? No, of course not. 

 

Even though I am not a huge fan of Buxton, that is about the biggest joke to be asking for him. 

Nick Blackburn pitched great in his two must win games.All sorts of aces haven't I didn't even trust Santana to beat the A's back in 2006. The guy in the majors I trust most to pitch a great game in a must win spot is Justin Verlander. who by the way is 0-4 with a 5.67 ERA in World Series games.We have beat plenty of Cy Young winners already. Of course the better the pitcher the greater your odds but II am fine with any of them in the playoffs because that means we made the playoffs.  

  • nokomismod, SwainZag, woolywoolhouse and 4 others like this

 If you build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day.

If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.


#17 lecroy24fan

lecroy24fan

    Member

  • Member
  • 230 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 09:35 PM

 

  
This is exactly what I was talking about. And this is the reaction that Lavelle's source was likely looking for by naming Buxton (a reaction they probably weren't getting 4 days ago after the initial report naming Lewis/Kirilloff).

Or after getting Stroman the Mets decided they wanted something else.

  • nokomismod and TFRazor like this

#18 twinsnorth49

twinsnorth49

    Twins Win!!

  • Moderator
  • 11,370 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 09:36 PM

Buxton....lol.

Not over yet, see how things change by Wednesday if the offers aren't there.

Yates and Giles would be guys I'd like to see.
  • Reider, jz7233 and In My La-Z-boy like this

#19 h2oface

h2oface

    Lifelong since '61

  • Member
  • 4,481 posts
  • LocationTralfamadore

Posted 29 July 2019 - 09:36 PM

This is why you just sign someone like Kimbrel, and don't have to mess with the ridiculous trade demands, just cash. If Syndergaard gets traded to another team and doesn't get Buxton, it will be obvious he could be traded for someone not Buxton.

Edited by h2oface, 29 July 2019 - 09:41 PM.

  • Jerr, PseudoSABR, kenbuddha and 1 other like this

#20 jdoffing11

jdoffing11

    Elizabethton Twins

  • Member
  • 35 posts

Posted 29 July 2019 - 09:37 PM

 

No on Givens.

If we can get him for the right price and add another higher leverage arm in the bullpen, someone who you'd trust as much as Rogers. He throws hard, and has 2 more years of team control. He's giving up homers at insane rate, that can probably be improved by a good pitching coach and is probably unsustainable in the first place. Keep in mind he plays in Camden Yards, and in the AL East so he gets to play in Yankee Stadium, Fenway and the Trop, all hitter friendly. That being said, if he's the only other guy we add then our deadline grade is an F.




Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: noah syndergaard, marcus stroman