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#41 ashbury

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 07:07 AM

If the Rockies are listening to Charile Blackmon

Oh, Colorado, don't do that to Charlie. I just looked at his home/road splits again. Don't ruin a beer-league legend of a career just for your own selfish gain. A Rockie he shall always remain!

 

 

/ yes yes, he's much better than that

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 07:17 AM

 

Oh, Colorado, don't do that to Charlie. I just looked at his home/road splits. Don't ruin a beer-league legend of a career just for your own selfish gain. A Rockie he should always remain!

 

 

/ yes yes, he's much better than that

 

Ha, yeah pretty standard MO for Rockies hitters. After not moving Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez at peak value due to inflated home stats, maybe they've finally learned their lesson and decided to cash in while there's cash to be got. They did do pretty will moving a similar home/road splitter in Corey Dickerson a few years back though.

 

I'd guess other teams might be wise to the ruse by now though. Or at least they can see his age and remaining contract and talk themselves out of liking him.


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Posted 23 July 2019 - 07:46 AM

If the Rockies are listening to Charile Blackmon, that probably means they'd listen on Jon Gray. He's a name I haven't heard much of but I like to rescue from Colorado.


The Rockies want to get out of Blackmon's contract while they still can. The same principle doesn't apply to Gray at all.

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 07:51 AM

 

The Rockies want to get out of Blackmon's contract while they still can. The same principle doesn't apply to Gray at all.

 

No but he never turned into the ace they always hoped he would, and he probably never will in Colorado. They could probably get back for him a better haul than he's actually worth. Suckers will probably still bite due to his strong velocity and pedigree, and I'm just the sucker for them.

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 08:17 AM

 

The Rockies want to get out of Blackmon's contract while they still can. The same principle doesn't apply to Gray at all.

 

The Rockies are intriguing - someone brought them up on Twitter last night, particularly Scott Oberg. Controllable through 2022, so he would be someone I would be willing to go after.

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 08:18 AM

 

I.... I don't think Stroman is actually all that good.... 

 

(ducks) 

I am glad I am not the only one, he would be a improvement over some, he would have the lowest K rate in our rotation... But if we are spending the prospects lets aim higher.

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 09:20 AM

 

I am glad I am not the only one, he would be a improvement over some, he would have the lowest K rate in our rotation... But if we are spending the prospects lets aim higher.

 

You're not. I've said it too. I don't like that K rate. Perhaps our analytics guys see something that could boost it a point or two, which I'd be a bit more comfortable with. I get that he gets grounders, but he doesn't miss bats. I wouldn't pony up the prospect capital to get him if Toronto is looking for an Archer type trade. That one will be regrettable I suspect.

 

Giles on the other hand... yes please... 

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 10:34 AM

I rather like the Ian Kennedy idea. The fact that his contract calls for him to be paid $16.5 million next year makes him unattractive to almost every team. Along with part of this year's salary it would relieve KC of over $20 million. They are paying him SP money. No one would pay that to a RP. 

So if money is not an obstacle then why not grab him?

As a RP this year he has been outstanding.

(1.24 WHIP, 2.26 FIP, 10.9 K/9)

 

Edit: I hadn't even thought of him until LA Vikes Fan mentioned him.

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 11:15 AM

No but he never turned into the ace they always hoped he would, and he probably never will in Colorado. They could probably get back for him a better haul than he's actually worth. Suckers will probably still bite due to his strong velocity and pedigree, and I'm just the sucker for them.


Gray has 3.7 bWAR so far in 2019. Only 2 fWAR, but comparable FIP/xFIP to Berrios.

Gray had a down 2018, but that seems to be behind him.

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 11:30 AM

 

Gray has 3.7 bWAR so far in 2019. Only 2 fWAR, but comparable FIP/xFIP to Berrios.

Gray had a down 2018, but that seems to be behind him.

 

All Gray's numbers actually look better last year except the ERA and a slight down tick in HR's given up.He is striking out less, walking batters at a higher rate and even has a higher line drive rate this year.Last year seems to just be an aberration.He has always pitched similar at Coors than away as well.I think I would def. take a look at what he would cost if I were the Twins.


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Posted 23 July 2019 - 02:44 PM

 

I rather like the Ian Kennedy idea. The fact that his contract calls for him to be paid $16.5 million next year makes him unattractive to almost every team. Along with part of this year's salary it would relieve KC of over $20 million. They are paying him SP money. No one would pay that to a RP. 

So if money is not an obstacle then why not grab him?

As a RP this year he has been outstanding.

(1.24 WHIP, 2.26 FIP, 10.9 K/9)

 

Edit: I hadn't even thought of him until LA Vikes Fan mentioned him.

 

It probably makes him unattractive to the Twins as well, unless the Royals are eating at least $5+ million of that contract. 

 

Just because the Twins have money to spend next year, I'm not sure it would be wise to tie up that much of the payroll in still a pretty unproven reliever. 

 

Even if the Royals pick up a decent chunk of that 2020 salary, I can't imagine the cost in prospects would be that significant. 

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 02:53 PM

 

I doubt the Jays have much interest in Gordon since they have Bichette and Biggio up the middle.

 

They might want him to to complete the Inheritance Infield.Vlad, Bichette, Biggio, and Gordon. Surely Gordon has enough bat to occupy 1B. 

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Posted 28 July 2019 - 06:25 PM

So who in the Twins organization would be on the same level as the 2 prospects the Mets gave up for Stroman??


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Posted 28 July 2019 - 06:27 PM

So who in the Twins organization would be on the same level as the 2 prospects the Mets gave up for Stroman??


I tossed out Thorpe and Duran in the thread in the Other Baseball forum.
Though the reality is, with guys in this tier, different teams are going to have vastly different opinions of them.
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Posted 28 July 2019 - 06:32 PM

Stroman is a Met now.


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Posted 28 July 2019 - 07:18 PM

Moved from the Lynn thread:

I'm not sure I have an answer to this or your previous post.

I'm just assuming that 1.33 years of team control is going to cost more in prospects than 1 year of team control, theoretically.

You may be right that these types of pitchers aren't traded often in the offseason, but they also aren't often traded to teams well below .500 at the deadline either. I just found it to be an unusual move. Not necessarily that I think it's bad or the wrong move.


I agree with the theoretically, but reality might not always align with the theoretical. They likely didn't have the option to only buy 1 year of Stroman.

Among other upcoming 2020-2021 free agents, there is Bauer and Robbie Ray. It's questionable whether either would be available this winter either.

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Posted 28 July 2019 - 07:26 PM

Moved from the Lynn thread:


I agree with the theoretically, but reality might not always align with the theoretical. They likely didn't have the option to only buy 1 year of Stroman.

Among other upcoming 2020-2021 free agents, there is Bauer and Robbie Ray. It's questionable whether either would be available this winter either.


I think it's a near lock that Bauer is traded, if he isn't moved at the deadline.

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Posted 28 July 2019 - 07:26 PM

 

It probably makes him unattractive to the Twins as well, unless the Royals are eating at least $5+ million of that contract. 

 

Just because the Twins have money to spend next year, I'm not sure it would be wise to tie up that much of the payroll in still a pretty unproven reliever. 

 

Even if the Royals pick up a decent chunk of that 2020 salary, I can't imagine the cost in prospects would be that significant. 

I guess I don't think having an extra $5M (assuming Royals don't pay any salary) on the payroll should be a concern.Twins are trying to win now, if they think he makes them better, they should totally go for him.There is no salary cap, and they are nowhere near the luxury tax....Just get players to win!!

 

Edited by sorney, 28 July 2019 - 07:27 PM.

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Posted 28 July 2019 - 07:27 PM

This is certainly an unusual move. But, I’m guessing the Mets acquired him with the intent to sign him. They have exclusive negotiating rights now, and don’t have to go to auction in the off-season for someone.

Stroman grew up there. Im guessing he had some input as well.

I guess I don’t find as crazy as some do. Many seem to really be stuck on one idea of why trades are made (only those competing this year). What’s most interesting is what this could mean for Thor. Are they replacing him? Does this mean he’s staying and they are really going for it next year? DeGrom, Syndergaard, Stroman is one hell of rotation.

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Posted 28 July 2019 - 07:29 PM

 

So who in the Twins organization would be on the same level as the 2 prospects the Mets gave up for Stroman??

The Mets must not think Kay is going to be much of a starter. You would not trade 6 years of a mid rotation starter for one full year of a front line starter.A high ceiling with a long shot of being a star. The other pitcher is in the low minors, also a high ceiling with a remote chance to get there. So the answer to your question is the Twins do not have to high ceiling pitching prospects that another team believes is but the Twins do not.

 




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