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#1 Craig Arko

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 01:00 PM

So what’s TD’s policy on hate speech? There are a couple of threads (you probably know the ones) that are slipping towards that slope.

If there isn’t one specified in writing yet, this would be a great time to come up with one.

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#2 ashbury

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Posted 19 July 2019 - 06:23 AM

So what’s TD’s policy on hate speech? There are a couple of threads (you probably know the ones) that are slipping towards that slope.

If there isn’t one specified in writing yet, this would be a great time to come up with one.

Thank you.

I saw your question and then got busy and forgot to circle back to it until now.

 

For the baseball threads I think the site's policy is unequivocal, although not phrased to include the specific term you mention. A sentence in the Comment Policy succinctly covers a lot of ground and is mostly based on common sense for when interacting with unknown strangers:

 

Please be mindful that comments relating to racial, cultural, religious, national, gender and sexual identity can be offensive, ditto locker room talk, even when there is no disrespectful intent.

 

However, I presume you are referring to posts in the political discussions found in the Sports Bar forum. The moderators have taken action in certain cases of disrespect or trolling, but I think it's fair to say that we try hard to not to prohibit discussion of even difficult topics. Best is to rebut, respectfully and without inflammatory rhetoric, those ideas you disagree with.

 

That said, let me offer an observation and a question. This is a baseball site. The Comment Policy has been refined over the years and IMO works well. I'm less confident that the same policy would be devised for a site that was devoted instead to politics. There is no shortage of websites that cater to political debate. The question then becomes whether it makes sense to continue to foster discussion areas that aren't central to the site's mission when they prove to be problematic?

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#3 Craig Arko

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Posted 19 July 2019 - 06:56 AM

I was mostly advising the site to CYA. It sounds like you’re doing that, so all is well.

My advice re: off-baseball discussions; general community areas are pretty helpful unless they become fixated on a single topic. Encourage diversification.
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Posted 06 August 2019 - 01:53 PM

I understand what you are saying, ashbury, and unfortunately this is the way most people see things these days.

 

I don't want to get into a huge discussion or debate, but this is my take on it.

 

Improper and disrespectful speech is improper and disrespectful regardless of the topic. Labeling it "political" should not give someone a free pass.

 

It's no secret that a lot of people live in a sort of dual morality, where they have one set of values for themselves, their friends, and their families, and another set for strangers. This ideal has infected our political discourse but to a bizarre, exaggerated level.

 

Anyway, if the point is that we should be respectful, we should be respectful regardless of the topic. If someone is choosing to ape someone else who is not being respectful, that doesn't mean we have to roll over and allow it. Everyone makes their own choices, even if they are aping somebody else. After all, the world has more followers than leaders. Those who mimic hate speech will not do so if we do not allow it. Followers want to be accepted and will change their behavior if left no other alternative.

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Posted 15 August 2019 - 10:37 PM

 

I understand what you are saying, ashbury, and unfortunately this is the way most people see things these days.

 

I don't want to get into a huge discussion or debate, but this is my take on it.

 

Improper and disrespectful speech is improper and disrespectful regardless of the topic. Labeling it "political" should not give someone a free pass.

 

It's no secret that a lot of people live in a sort of dual morality, where they have one set of values for themselves, their friends, and their families, and another set for strangers. This ideal has infected our political discourse but to a bizarre, exaggerated level.

 

Anyway, if the point is that we should be respectful, we should be respectful regardless of the topic. If someone is choosing to ape someone else who is not being respectful, that doesn't mean we have to roll over and allow it. Everyone makes their own choices, even if they are aping somebody else. After all, the world has more followers than leaders. Those who mimic hate speech will not do so if we do not allow it. Followers want to be accepted and will change their behavior if left no other alternative.

This is part of the reason why we shut down political threads, hopefully temporarily.

 

Where does hate speech start?

 

It's not an easy question to answer, particularly in the current environment. We all have sliding scales of morality and decency and there's no easy answer to the question. It's both identical to pornography and entirely different; you know it when you see it, yet you also don't.

 

We're working on a solution. That's all I can say. It won't be easy to figure out, to put it lightly.