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Article: Twins Game Recap (7/17): Mets Blow Out Twins, Complete Another Target Field Sweep

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#41 David HK

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 02:28 AM

Calling an 0-2 curveball is not the problem. The problem is a pitcher who spins the damn thing over the heart of the plate, instead of burying it 6 feet deep. That's on Trevor may for not pitching like a major-leaguer.
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#42 spycake

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 06:00 AM

Magill has options doesn't he?


Nope. Magill's 3 option years were burned in 2013, 2014, and 2015.
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#43 Darius

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 06:10 AM

Complaining about pulling Perez is just silly. The guy is not a good pitcher, and an implosion is a matter of time. Everyone would be chastising Baldelli today for leaving him in if he would’ve done so, because Perez would’ve given it away eventually.

It seems like the new-age act from Baldelli is wearing thin. Everything looks great when you’re winning two out of every three.

It’s time to cope with reality. This team isn’t a great team. Certainly not the best team in the AL like we all started to believe. We’re not even the best team in the division. We won’t even be the best team getting a wildcard spot (if we even get one - a performance like this against Oakland and you can probably stick a fork in the season and start selling guys).

The FO should’ve struck while the iron was hot. They have massive culpability here for this thing going off the rails. What an incredible waste of a historic start. Mark my words today, this team will be on the outside looking in come playoff time. What an embarrassment (the defense, the awful pitch selection). Might be time to start thinking about halting production on that bronze statue of Wes Johnson. This pitching staff is as bad as we all thought it was when we were pulling our hair out about the lack of offseason activity.

Frankly, I’m getting kind of pissed off with Falvine and Baldelli at this point.

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#44 Darius

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 06:15 AM

Calling an 0-2 curveball is not the problem. The problem is a pitcher who spins the damn thing over the heart of the plate, instead of burying it 6 feet deep. That's on Trevor may for not pitching like a major-leaguer.

Disagree. He just got scorched by an 0-2 curveball a few days ago, when my 5 year-old kid could see that Santana wasn’t catching up to his fastball. It cost the Twins two games in the standings that day. One more yesterday.

He can’t locate the pitch. Don’t call it when other things are clearly working. A one run game in the 7th inning in the middle of a playoff race isn’t the time hope something to close your eyes and hope something works. A good catcher takes control of things there. You tell the pitcher what he’s throwing. Especially when it’s a guy like May who has no track record to support any credibility.

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 06:17 AM

The pitching wouldn't be an issue of the defense played defense. The errors this team makes are lazy, fundamental errors. It's been a problem for over a month (19 fielding errors) and their record reflects it. Pitching and bombas mean nothing if you give the opposing team extra outs each game.

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 06:21 AM

In the year 2017 

 

Between August 26 and September 10th. The Los Angeles Dodgers produced one win while losing 16 games. 

 

Do some of our Twinsdaily members forget they have been on a roller coaster every single year withevery single team... every single time?

 

Or do some just like to remain unprepared for it and scream at the top of their lungs on every drop of the rollercoaster ride?  

 

 

 

 

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 06:21 AM

The pitching wouldn't be an issue of the defense played defense. The errors this team makes are lazy, fundamental errors. It's been a problem for over a month (19 fielding errors) and their record reflects it. Pitching and bombas mean nothing if you give the opposing team extra outs each game.


The Yankees, Cubs, and most notably Dodgers all have more errors per game this year than the Twins. Errors happen. Sometimes pitchers have to pull a little extra weight and get a hitter out with runners on base.

Not excusing it, but the numbers show that other teams commit just as many/more errors and are pulling away from the Twins record-wise like they’re tied to a post. It’s more complicated than an outfielder dropping a fly ball.
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Posted 18 July 2019 - 06:49 AM

 

In the year 2017 

 

Between August 26 and September 10th. The Los Angeles Dodgers produced one win while losing 16 games. 

 

Do some of our Twinsdaily members forget they have been on a roller coaster every single year withevery single team... every single time?

 

Or do some just like to remain unprepared for it and scream at the top of their lungs on every drop of the rollercoaster ride?  

True story.

 

Also true: in the years 1883-2016, and 2018, over one thousand teams* dropped 16 of 17 and went on to miss the postseason.

 

*number pulled completely out of my ***

 

 

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 07:25 AM

 

Coming from a pitching coach's perspective...sometimes you know if a curve is thrown in the dirt, strike 3 will happen. Unfortunately, sometimes pitchers throw said curveball NOT in dirt.

Yeah, Garver was clearly positioned for way low and away and May threw a hanger. Execution is key. 162 games is a long season and lackadaisical play is gonna pop up from time to time; its human nature. You just don't like seeing it in highly paid athletes. Hopefully the team finds its mojo again and goes on a romp. Go Twins!

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 07:47 AM

 

Honestly, I worried about the team getting the big early lead and coasting through the later months of the year. I didn’t expect Cleveland to turn things around like this, and I thought if they did the twins would respond accordingly. Hasn’t happened so far. Been sort a sleep walk for a month and a half now and there’s a real danger they’ll fall out of first. I don’t think that’s just pessimistic at this point. It’s clearly possible. And I don’t believe the team can possibly sign/trade for as many parts as they need. None of the starters, while good at times, have been dominant recently, and we know what we have with the bullpen which is basically Rogers and maybe one other guy. No way can/will the ownership be able to get as much as they need. Conservatively, they need 2 relievers and a starter. But really like 3 relievers and 2 starters. It ain’t happening.

Thats not pessimistic at all. Its reality. People need to realize this team has major issues and has been playing mediocre ball since the beginning of June. The only reason we are still in first was because we built up such a large lead. Our horrible play has become more the norm than one of the best teams in baseball. Team will be lucky to grab a wild card if they keep playing like this. Sad. But most certainly true. 


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Posted 18 July 2019 - 07:49 AM

 

Oh well. Rough patch.

Thats the attitude that takes a team from tops in the league to out of the play offs. Oh well, on to the next series. No. Thats not how winning teams work. 


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Posted 18 July 2019 - 07:54 AM

 

Listening to the Mets announcers and seeing the write up yesterday about the plays the Mets made on difficult balls in play and seeing the bad plays the Twins have made lately I would say the Twins just need to play better baseball.  Pitching, defense, baserunning, hitting. All of it.  

"Just play better"Seems obvious and also easier said than done


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Posted 18 July 2019 - 08:01 AM

 

Thats the attitude that takes a team from tops in the league to out of the play offs. Oh well, on to the next series. No. Thats not how winning teams work. 

 

You're right! Losing one's mind on the Twins Daily game thread is how seasons get turned around! 

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 08:17 AM

 

In the year 2017 

 

Between August 26 and September 10th. The Los Angeles Dodgers produced one win while losing 16 games. 

 

Do some of our Twinsdaily members forget they have been on a roller coaster every single year withevery single team... every single time?

 

Or do some just like to remain unprepared for it and scream at the top of their lungs on every drop of the rollercoaster ride?  

 

I know what you mean. Things like "season's over" and that kind of talk is a bit extreme in my opinion.

 

But, this is clearly the worst stretch of the year for this team. If we're on a roller coaster, we're on the way down and nobody knows where the bottom is. Criticism is warranted.Fans should be frustrated and I see no reason for Twins fans to bite their tongues with all that's happened (and more importantly, NOT happened) in the past few weeks.

 

I guess I'm just saying that while I agree we shouldn't jump ship, I do think there are plenty of reasons to be frustrated as a fan. Aside from Berrios, Odorizzi and Rogers, there's nobody on this staff that pitches well consistently. Some are OK part of the time, and others are downright terrible. Other teams are making trades and the Twins are picking up DFA'ed garbage scraps. We're losing. Indians aren't. Things are as bad as they've been all year. Sure, could be worse...but should we really be ecstatic that we're not 24 games out like we are 3/5ths of the time?

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 08:29 AM

 

Thats the attitude that takes a team from tops in the league to out of the play offs. Oh well, on to the next series. No. Thats not how winning teams work. 

Disagree completely. Every team goes through these funks. 

 

The regular season is six months long, they play nearly every day, plus add spring training and most of February. Keeping an even keel is essential to turning this back around (among other things, and yes they need to start playing better again too). 

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 08:30 AM

Here are the losing streaks of past World Series winners:

'18 BOS: 3 games (4x)
'17 HOU: 5 games (11-17 Aug)
'16 CHI: 5 games (12-14 Jul)
'15 KC: 4 games (11-17 Sept)
'14 SF: 6 games (10-16 June)
'13 BOS: 3 games (15-15 May)

It's a long season and even the best teams have down turns. I do think a trade would help invigorate the team and get them back on track and finally getting healthy will pay dividends.
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Posted 18 July 2019 - 08:40 AM

Fire sale and move the team to Montreal ASAP!

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 08:54 AM

As ugly as the last 3 innings were, it still only counts as 1 loss.Get back at it today! Having said that, it seems that many of this team's below-the-surface problems all made an appearance this week: shaky defense, relief pitching at a AAAA level, lack of clutch hitting with RISP. The team just doesn't look as focused as it once did.

 

They do need to bring in some additional arm, no question.However, is 1 relief pitcher enough to propel the squad into October? I doubt it. There are something like 68 games left.If the Twins traded for a reliever today, how much will he actually pitch? Most relievers seem to pitch an inning or so at a time (at least on Rocco's team!).If New Reliever Guy #1 pitches an inning in every other game, that means that he will contribute around 34 innings over the course of the season. The actual number would likely be lower than that, especially the longer we wait to acquire said pitcher. Very helpful (hopefully), but not necessarily the ultimate solution.

 

Of course, if you add New Starter Guy #1, and perhaps New Reliever Guy #2 to go along with New Reliever Guy #1....now we are talking.

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 09:05 AM

Fire sale and move the team to Montreal ASAP!


We need that dome field advantage!
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Posted 18 July 2019 - 09:52 AM

 

I would argue Trevor May's beach ball curve changed the course of the game but YMMV. Do you think this pitching staff is ready for a playoff run as it stands today?

 

No, I don't think we have a pitching staff that will do well in the playoffs but the tone of previous posts failed to acknowledge the primary reason for recent losses has been very sloppy play.We have one dominant RP and Harper has actually been pretty good too.The rest are all just decent. Our SP also does not match-up with any of the top contenders and it's not all that close. We would need someone a step-up from Berrios. That's a tall order. The BP needs a lot of help too. Littell actually looks like the 2nd best RP to me at the moment.

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