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#41 johnnydakota

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 02:57 PM

Ponder looked like dog **** today, but some of the play calling was head scratching to say the least...

The secondary was damn impressive today though!

what do you think the vikings record will be this year?

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 02:59 PM

I agree with the redzone problems. I felt like Ponder was completely worthless. Defenses will give you throws of 10 yards and under all day. I dislike the way he plays the game. He is a dink and dunk passer. He walks a thin line. He doesn't do enough to win games by himself, but a bad game and he can lose one. Offenses start with the QB. Look at how Manning and Rogers dissect defenses at the line. Manning doesn't have a great receiver core now but still finds people open. Even when Favre was here he was able to do this and put cash in Sydney Rice's bank account because of it. A new receiver is only going to give Ponder options, I doubt he would ever take advantage of them.

i think you need to start looking hard at ponder after he has 18-20 starts to see what you really have in him as a quaterback.
but yes he so far doesnt appear to be a cebrial quaterback

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:40 PM

Ponder looked like dog **** today, but some of the play calling was head scratching to say the least...

The secondary was damn impressive today though!

what do you think the vikings record will be this year?


Thursday against TB is a win, and home vs Det is a win, which means we should be at least 7-3 going into our last 6 games.
I think 10-6 is where we end up, maybe 11-5

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 12:02 PM

They are going to have to do better on third down. 35% for the year, 1/10 yesterday. Thank god we have Kluwe I guess.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 07:28 PM

I already took a guess at the record but it requires a lot of Kool-Aid to see my guess coming true. Defense is better than I thought it would be and special teams are great, Adrian is better than I though he would be but the offense, well it damn well better be a work in progress because it is poor even considering our lack of talent in some spots. Ponder has to get better and the play calling has to get more aggressive or we are going to go through a stretch of years where we are 8-10 wins and drafting at the last 1/2 of the round.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 07:54 PM

The issue isn't weapons, we have to get over that. Right now if you could pick any pair of skill players off of any team in the league.....is there anyone you'd pick over Peterson-Harvin? Maybe Andre Johnson-Foster or Jones-Roddy White?

Honestly, I'll take our guys. So let's stop with that excuse Vikings fans, Ponder just isn't getting it done.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 06:28 AM

We do lack talent at the #1 and#2 receiver position(Percy is a slot guy) Right side of the line and very possibly talent at play calling but like I said Ponder damn well better be a work in progress because if his ceiling is 20% better than he is now that is poor. If it is 40-60% higher than his average play this year then I look foreward to seeing him play when he gets there.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:02 AM

The thing Ponder needs to learn the most is "throw the ball away" he tries to do to much at times ala Farve, if he can cut down on the stupid throwing across your body INT's then this team is in good shape moving forward. This defense is legit, the only thing that can/will kill us its turnovers on our side of the field.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 05:21 PM

We do lack talent at the #1 and#2 receiver position(Percy is a slot guy) Right side of the line and very possibly talent at play calling but like I said Ponder damn well better be a work in progress because if his ceiling is 20% better than he is now that is poor. If it is 40-60% higher than his average play this year then I look foreward to seeing him play when he gets there.


Who has been playing outside for the Patriots? Deion Branch is a fine player, but he's no world beater. You can do just fine with the talent the Vikes have - it could be better, but the fault lies primarily with the QB.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 05:35 PM

Who has been playing outside for the Patriots? Deion Branch is a fine player, but he's no world beater. You can do just fine with the talent the Vikes have - it could be better, but the fault lies primarily with the QB.

Patriots: 4-3 (BARELY)
Vikings: 5-2

haha

We do need better QB play not doubt, but more weapons wouldn't hurt...

Edited by SpiritofVodkaDave, 23 October 2012 - 05:37 PM.


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Posted 25 October 2012 - 02:45 PM

He already has 17 starts.... so I'm not sure what the ceiling is on him yet, but we sure haven't seen much to say "he's got it." The final book isn't written on him yet, but things aren't looking too good. Despite the good record, the Vikes have to play GB, the Bears, DET again and I don't see them winning any of those games. They don't have the offense to stay with elite teams.
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 06:29 PM

He already has 17 starts.... so I'm not sure what the ceiling is on him yet, but we sure haven't seen much to say "he's got it." The final book isn't written on him yet, but things aren't looking too good. Despite the good record, the Vikes have to play GB, the Bears, DET again and I don't see them winning any of those games. They don't have the offense to stay with elite teams.

What are you talking about? You don't think we can beat Detroit at home? Give me a break.

The Bears have a pretty weak offense IMO, we can beat them either game as long as Ponder doesn't turn the ball over (which is asking quite a bit these days) Packers @ home should be competitive as well, they have a good number of flaws.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 07:57 PM

What are you talking about? You don't think we can beat Detroit at home? Give me a break.

The Bears have a pretty weak offense IMO, we can beat them either game as long as Ponder doesn't turn the ball over (which is asking quite a bit these days) Packers @ home should be competitive as well, they have a good number of flaws.


Watching them flounder against the Bucs at home on a short rest week even going to dent this stupid take? Hell, their best plays have been "throw it up and pray" moves that have worked two out of three times.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 08:42 PM

What are you talking about? You don't think we can beat Detroit at home? Give me a break.

The Bears have a pretty weak offense IMO, we can beat them either game as long as Ponder doesn't turn the ball over (which is asking quite a bit these days) Packers @ home should be competitive as well, they have a good number of flaws.


Watching them flounder against the Bucs at home on a short rest week even going to dent this stupid take? Hell, their best plays have been "throw it up and pray" moves that have worked two out of three times.

The whole team looks awful tonight, the defense has totally forgotten how to tackle and Peterson had a rare fumble. Hopefully they can get back in this game.

Ponder has been iffy, but his deep throws have for the most part been pretty accurate.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 08:46 PM

The O-Line and front 7 have been terrible, hopefully this is just an issue of conditioning/short week and not a sign of things to come.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 09:06 PM

The whole team looks awful tonight, the defense has totally forgotten how to tackle and Peterson had a rare fumble. Hopefully they can get back in this game.

Ponder has been iffy, but his deep throws have for the most part been pretty accurate.


It's the same defensive players from last year but one really (Smith), so this shouldn't be a shock. The offense has been terrible - one broken run and one nice throw to Harvin and that's about it. He's throwing floaters, locking in on receivers, and doing little to recognize hot reads on blitzes. The defense has been on the field for what feels like forever since the second half of Arizona.

It's ridiculous to suggest that anything with this team is a lock when the offense is this inept. And, like the broadcast has been saying - it features two of the best skill players in the league and it still can't get traction.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:59 PM

Over a quarter in and Ponder looks god awful again. Harvin had an easy six with a decently thrown ball and he couldn't deliver. All of his roll-out throws have been erratic and he's had a ton of time. He's a failure people, let's accept it.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 04:32 PM

Wish I could watch the game. I wonder if Leslie is going to burn with Ponder. How can anyone stand to watch a QB play so terrible? He has no place starting in this league.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 06:44 PM

yes 19 game starter ponder was out played by seattle rookie wilson , i question not bring in joe web ?

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:15 PM

At least all the Ponder excuse-makers are starting to back-pedal.