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#21 diehardtwinsfan

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Posted 14 July 2019 - 06:07 AM

 

I actually don’t mind that as a reason. It’s pretty valid.

My biggest problem is why you’re calling upon your best reliever to warm up in a situation where literally all you need a guy to do is pitch to a <27.00 ERA (and ultimately pitch to a <36.00 ERA).

It’s not a big ask. Save your best reliever for another day.

 

yeah, I was a bit surprised to see Rodgers name on the box score this morning. 


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Posted 14 July 2019 - 06:07 AM

Great ball game.I think it is time to stop the Molitor comparisons.We have had a few games where we have questioned Badellis decisions on pitchers - like last nights Rogers decision.Managing the pitching staff is certainly the most difficult task and no one has it down perfectly.Sometimes I think we should be questioning the bench coach or pitching coach in these situations. 


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Posted 14 July 2019 - 06:27 AM

Was also kinda scratching my head seeing Rogers in the 9th. But as a few others have mentioned, it's clear that Rocco wanted to nail down a series win. I think we can all get behind that philosophy. I'm guessing Berrios is champing at the bit to go 7+ and do his part today. No better guy to have on the mound when your best reliever is unavailable, in my opinion.

 

Hope Bux is OK. With his history of migranes, I sure hope that collison with the turf didn't do any damage to his dome piece.

 

Schoop's been looking bad on offense. Dude's clearly pressing and it's not pretty to watch. Still has a great arm and solid defense but it would be nice to see him inb better form coming out of the break. He wasn't doing well before the break, either.

 

Should see Sano, Adrianza today. Looking forward to getting Eddie Rosario back very soon and Cron next week. Hope none of those injuries linger.


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Posted 14 July 2019 - 07:11 AM

Arraez can play 2nd and should get as many ABs as possible as he continues to flirt with .400 BA.
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Posted 14 July 2019 - 07:13 AM

"He was up and hot already."

 

I don't really get it, but relievers don't like to get warmed up and not used in that night's game. Managers also seem to consider that a bullet fired anyway, so if you're odds of treating him as available for Sunday had already been reduced simply by having him warm up, I guess you might as well use him in tonight's game.

I oversimplified. :) But this doesn't address the additional point that Parker was also warmed up (from having been used) and had thrown only 15 pitches.

 

Also, I have absolutely no problem with managers deciding things. Rocco has done a few things I've noticed, and doubtless many that I haven't, making a statement that this is his team. Good leaders do that. "I'm not the manager because I'm always right, but I'm always right because I'm the manager." -- Gene Mauch

 

Rocco is the anti-Gardy in regard to closer usage. At a BoSox game I attended earlier this year, sitting next to the visitors bullpen, Shane Greene was up and fully warmed up, then his Tiger teammates scored a couple of runs making it no longer a save situation; down he sat and another guy who had been warming up came in. The chump allowed enough runs to make it a save situation again, so in came Greene. Nothing remarkable about that, but I suppose times are changing.

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Posted 14 July 2019 - 07:33 AM

 

I actually don’t mind that as a reason. It’s pretty valid.

My biggest problem is why you’re calling upon your best reliever to warm up in a situation where literally all you need a guy to do is pitch to a <27.00 ERA (and ultimately pitch to a <36.00 ERA).

It’s not a big ask. Save your best reliever for another day.

 

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Posted 14 July 2019 - 07:39 AM

Just noticed this when I was looking up Max Kepler...

 

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Sadly, this bit of what Wikipedia short-sightedly calls "vandalism" has already been undone.

 

Looking at the History tab for this page, the sequence is entertaining. Added during the hijinks of last night:

  • "He is the legal father of Cleveland Indians pitcher, Trevor Bauer, as he [vulgarity deleted] in 5 straight ABs while facing Bauer."
  • "He is also the daddy of Trevor Bauer after he hit his 5th straight home run off of him."
  • "Trevor Bauer's Dad"
  • "Current owner of Trevor Bauer"
  • "He is also the daddy of Trevor Bauer after he hit his 5th home run in as many at bats."
  • "Kepler also owns Cleveland Indians pitcher Trevor Bauer"

I may have missed one, but apparently this vandalistic Van Gogh has yet to find exactly the right palette that will pass muster. Someone named ChanDat - do you know him?

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Posted 14 July 2019 - 07:39 AM

I actually don’t mind that as a reason. It’s pretty valid.
My biggest problem is why you’re calling upon your best reliever to warm up in a situation where literally all you need a guy to do is pitch to a <27.00 ERA (and ultimately pitch to a <36.00 ERA).
It’s not a big ask. Save your best reliever for another day.


He started warming up when it was 3-2. The broadcast showed him warming up top 8. Cave got the job done and his load was reduced an inning but I think we would have seen Rogers for two innings if Cave (or Buxton) failed to bring in those runs.

I don’t have any problem with handing the game to Rogers for two innings against Cleveland if the game stayed 3-2 or putting him out there for one once the lead became larger. Once warmed up he was probably not an option for today.
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Posted 14 July 2019 - 07:43 AM

 

I oversimplified. :) But this doesn't address the additional point that Parker was also warmed up (from having been used) and had thrown only 15 pitches.

 

Also, I have absolutely no problem with managers deciding things. Rocco has done a few things I've noticed, and doubtless many that I haven't, making a statement that this is his team. Good leaders do that. "I'm not the manager because I'm always right, but I'm always right because I'm the manager." -- Gene Mauch

 

Rocco is the anti-Gardy in regard to closer usage. At a BoSox game I attended earlier this year, sitting next to the visitors bullpen, Shane Greene was up and fully warmed up, then his TIger teammates scored a couple of runs making it no longer a save situation; down he sat and another guy who had been warming up came in. The chump allowed enough runs to make it a save situation again, so in came Greene. Nothing remarkable about that, but I suppose times are changing.

 

It's about time. 

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Posted 14 July 2019 - 07:45 AM

 

I actually don’t mind that as a reason. It’s pretty valid.

My biggest problem is why you’re calling upon your best reliever to warm up in a situation where literally all you need a guy to do is pitch to a <27.00 ERA (and ultimately pitch to a <36.00 ERA).

It’s not a big ask. Save your best reliever for another day.

I think I saw Rogers warm up an inning earlier, when Parker was trying to find the strike zone.Watched the game and can't remember the exact score in the 7th, but it was closer if I am not disremembering.


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Posted 14 July 2019 - 07:52 AM

I have stated I would be happy had we won one of three this weekend.I am more than happy with two wins.I will be elated should the Twins sweep the Tribe.

 

Speaking of the Tribe, today's game may be the biggest game of the year for them.Lose three out of the break to fall 8.5 back of the Twins and their hopes to win the division may be toast...burnt toast.

 

Still get antsy when both Duffey and Parker are on the mound.Duffey had that deer in the headlights look again last night.Does anyone have a pill filled with confidence they can give him?

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Posted 14 July 2019 - 08:04 AM

 

I concur. Occasionally, he falls into to the trap of keeping the starter in too long (especially when the game is tied), but not very often. He seems to know pretty well when to pull the plug.

Its just my view from watching for decades and reading other teams boards that no one knows when to pull the plug.Or rather, the manager whose team won the game knew when to pull the plug and the manager that lost didn't know when to pull the plug.I am concerned about over usage but I don't expect Rogers to pitch today and we have Monday off.One thing I like about Rocco is that he seems to think that pitchers 10-13 have value also.Its really tough not to ride Harper and Rogers every opportunity but in the long run you would rather have a tested May, Duffey, Parker, Littell and a rested Rogers and Harper.Tough because the long run is often at odds with the short run.

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Posted 14 July 2019 - 08:14 AM

I’ve got no problem with the Rogers use last night, for three reasons:

1. Stamp out any hope of Cleveland coming back.

2. Good chance you won’t have a chance to use him Sunday, so he’s got two days rest coming.

3. It wound up being relatively low-leverage, even though the game itself wasn’t very important. Giving Rogers a low-stress outing instead of always trotting him out with the game in the balance is probably welcome by him.

If it wasn’t Cleveland, I might have had more of an issue with it. But that was a game you had to put away. Don’t try to get cute with it, trying to save him for a chance the next day that may never come. Just end the game right then and there. Good work, Rocco, and Rogers.

Now, Berrios—sweep the leg!
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Posted 14 July 2019 - 08:49 AM

 

He started warming up when it was 3-2. The broadcast showed him warming up top 8. Cave got the job done and his load was reduced an inning but I think we would have seen Rogers for two innings if Cave (or Buxton) failed to bring in those runs.

I don’t have any problem with handing the game to Rogers for two innings against Cleveland if the game stayed 3-2 or putting him out there for one once the lead became larger. Once warmed up he was probably not an option for today.

Ah, fair enough. If he was warming at 3-2, that's a different story. It took long enough for that inning to develop that he would have been completely warm by the time Cave doubled.

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Posted 14 July 2019 - 09:20 AM

I oversimplified. :) But this doesn't address the additional point that Parker was also warmed up (from having been used) and had thrown only 15 pitches.

Also, I have absolutely no problem with managers deciding things. Rocco has done a few things I've noticed, and doubtless many that I haven't, making a statement that this is his team. Good leaders do that. "I'm not the manager because I'm always right, but I'm always right because I'm the manager." -- Gene Mauch

Rocco is the anti-Gardy in regard to closer usage. At a BoSox game I attended earlier this year, sitting next to the visitors bullpen, Shane Greene was up and fully warmed up, then his Tiger teammates scored a couple of runs making it no longer a save situation; down he sat and another guy who had been warming up came in. The chump allowed enough runs to make it a save situation again, so in came Greene. Nothing remarkable about that, but I suppose times are changing.


It really isn’t a new concept for good managers. I remember a game (I think it was against the Twins, but not positive) where LaRussa brought Eck into a tight situation in the 8th. I don’t know the exact specifics, but there were runners on and big hitters due. He got out of it, Oakland tacked on and someone else pitched the 9th.

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Posted 14 July 2019 - 09:49 AM

 

It really isn’t a new concept for good managers. I remember a game (I think it was against the Twins, but not positive) where LaRussa brought Eck into a tight situation in the 8th. I don’t know the exact specifics, but there were runners on and big hitters due. He got out of it, Oakland tacked on and someone else pitched the 9th.

 

I agree... there is nothing new about Gardy.:)

 

Traditional Closer Usage:

 

Pitches the 9th in save situations. Usually doesn't enter the game unless the team has a 3 run or less lead in the 9th or a tied game on occasion. Usually (almost always) doesn't pitch in any other inning unless the game goes to extras. 

 

Typical Closer Compensation:

 

Almost always, quite a bit more than anyone else in the bullpen. 

 

The 2019 Twins:

 

The Twins have decided to not assign anyone the role of closer. I couldn't be happier with that decision. 

 

This frees Baldelli to use Rogers whenever he is needed and not have to wait for circumstances to meet traditional closer usage as described above. 

 

 

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Posted 14 July 2019 - 10:10 AM

I am a fan, generally, of how he's managing the pen. I'm concerned about Rogers usage level, but he was warming at 3-2. I doubt he pitches today....

It's been a fun year so far, GO Twins. 


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Posted 14 July 2019 - 10:14 AM

At least Bauer has a sense of humor

 

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Posted 14 July 2019 - 10:14 AM

<<  Hey wait a minute. Is that socialism? >>

 

No, to be socialism every player would have to have the same salary whether they produced or not; not a likely happening under the next CBA.


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Posted 14 July 2019 - 10:21 AM

I like the pic of Max in the write-up. Max is a giant. Polanco looks totally puny next to him. And the guy in the red shirt looks like a pygmy. The dugout throng? Mere Lilliputians in Max's World. Max is Godzilla and crushes all pitching Bauers.

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