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#21 Hosken Bombo Disco

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Posted 06 July 2019 - 08:22 PM

 

I would like to see Tyler Duffey trust his fast ball more and just mix in the off speed stuff. When his fastball is clicking and he is using it a lot he can be really tough.

In addition to what ashbury said, in contrast to Duffey, what I like about Harper is it looks like he can throw his curve in any count to any location. 

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#22 Darius

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Posted 06 July 2019 - 08:23 PM

Great win.

These injuries just keep piling up.

All you hear about is how amazing the Yankees’ story is with injuries. Well, the Twins have come out of nowhere to enter the conversation for the most prolific offense of all time. That has been done without a full lineup contingent healthy for nigh a single game this year (honestly, I think none).

...And just think, that includes giving the Yanks Aaron Hicks for absolutely nothing.

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Posted 06 July 2019 - 08:55 PM

The Twins bullpen is 3rd in MLB in WPA, a hundredth of a win behind the Astros.

 

The reality is that even good bullpens allow some runs. That's the nature of the game. The Twins should look to improve wherever possible before the deadline, but the bullpen harping is just not based in reality. Even if the Twins acquire multiple high-end relievers, they will still allow some runs . . . folks are just going to have to deal with that. 

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Posted 06 July 2019 - 09:52 PM

 

Rooker's not on the 40-man roster. You don't make a consequential move like that "for a game".

 

Twins have an open spot on the 40 man and Wade is probably going to be out for a while so it would be smart to add another outfielder on the 40 just in case something happens to Cave and/or another starting outfielder.

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Posted 06 July 2019 - 10:05 PM

Twins have an open spot on the 40 man and Wade is probably going to be out for a while so it would be smart to add another outfielder on the 40 just in case something happens to Cave and/or another starting outfielder.

Teams don’t add players like Rooker to the 40-man roster as a depth piece. Rooker isn’t a great prospect but he’s good enough that the team can and will control how his service clock is managed.
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Posted 07 July 2019 - 02:21 AM

We won! I hope we score 15 tomorrow so we can use less Rogers and more fill-ins.
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Posted 07 July 2019 - 07:06 AM

 

Great win.

These injuries just keep piling up.

All you hear about is how amazing the Yankees’ story is with injuries. Well, the Twins have come out of nowhere to enter the conversation for the most prolific offense of all time. That has been done without a full lineup contingent healthy for nigh a single game this year (honestly, I think none).

...And just think, that includes giving the Yanks Aaron Hicks for absolutely nothing.

 

If given the choice between:

 

A. Placing talented players on the DL and having talented players to step in.

 

B. Having Dozier and Morrison play terribly and play everyday through injuries.  

 

I choose A.

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Posted 07 July 2019 - 07:30 AM

Honestly, I think the Twins have been extraordinarily lucky on the injury front. Among the position players, Sanó missed almost two months. Astudillo has had two disabling injuries and the second one might keep him on the injured list for over a month. Other than that, Garver missed about two weeks. Gonzalez, Adrianza, Buxton, Cron and Rosario all will have IL stints of less than two weeks. On the pitching side, only Pineda's ten-day "rest" has taken a pitcher off the 25-man along with Odorizzi's blister issue.

 

I didn't mention Wade, but it is doubtful that he would have stayed with the club after the All-Star break.

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Posted 07 July 2019 - 07:59 AM

 

Today is Saturday, July 6, it was the 88th game of the year and the Twins hit 1 home run.The Twins are now 54% of the way through the season.Out of 59 years, the current team ranks 12th on the all-time list of Twins' home runs in one season and are on a pace to hit 306 home runs this season.They are now 101 homeruns behind the single season MLB record.

I appreciate and enjoy your frequent dinger updates. I don't want to take anything away from the Twins' home run prowess, however I strongly believe that the baseballs being used this season are significantly contributing to our team's record-setting pace. I think MLB would benefit from switching to baseballs with more air resistance. We would still be leading the majors in dingers but I think the game would be better with fewer of them.

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Posted 07 July 2019 - 08:01 AM

 

Twins have an open spot on the 40 man and Wade is probably going to be out for a while so it would be smart to add another outfielder on the 40 just in case something happens to Cave and/or another starting outfielder.

There's no reason to do it now. We can do it if/when the need arises.


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Posted 07 July 2019 - 08:07 AM

Here's a fun look at what Taylor Rogers did to get Joey Gallo out to start the eighth inning:

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Posted 07 July 2019 - 08:52 AM

Teams don’t add players like Rooker to the 40-man roster as a depth piece. Rooker isn’t a great prospect but he’s good enough that the team can and will control how his service clock is managed.


He's 25? There are no service clock issues. I'd guess it is about the forty man.

It's been a fun year so far, GO Twins. 


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Posted 07 July 2019 - 09:05 AM

 

Twins have an open spot on the 40 man and Wade is probably going to be out for a while so it would be smart to add another outfielder on the 40 just in case something happens to Cave and/or another starting outfielder.

 

As respectfully as I can put this:

 

You need to understand all the future consequences of what you are suggesting. Ash and Brock are trying to point you in the right direction. 

 

The Twins don't have to add Rooker to the 40 man roster until December of 2020. Once he is added to the 40 man roster, he can't be removed from the 40 man roster without being exposed to other teams. 

 

This is significant information and you need to understand why it's significant. 

 

Once a player is selected in the rule 4 draft (The Draft).If he is signed before he is 19 the club has 5 years before he has to be added to the 40 man roster or he will be eligible for the rule 5 draft. If he is signed after he is 19 (Rooker) the club has 4 years before he has to be added to the 40 man roster or he will be eligible for the rule 5 draft. 

 

Based on this rule in the CBA... Rooker has to be added to the 40 man roster in December of 2020 or we risk losing him to another team. 

 

Once Rooker is added to the 40 man roster... He can't be removed from the 40 man roster without being exposed to other teams. 

 

If the Twins add Rooker to the 40 man roster (early) at this time as you suggest.

 

Adding him early guarantees (unless he is traded) that he will occupy one of the precious 40 man spots in December of 2019. This is significant because we have a fairly long list of players that need to be added to the 40 man roster or we risk losing them to another team next Rule 5. Rooker on the 40 man early will give us one less spot to protect a player therefore increasing the odds we lose a player to the Giants/Orioles or any team who would love to scoop up any of the top 5 or 6 or maybe 7 on the list below if left unprotected.  

 

Rule 5 Eligible Dec. 2019

Brusdar Graterol

Wander Javier

Jhoan Duran

Gilberto Celistino

Jorge Alcala

Griffin Jax

Luke Raley

Travis Blankenhorn

Luis Rijo

Jovani Moran

 

In a nutshell... Adding Rooker to the 40 man for simple insurance as you suggest will probably cost us a fairly significant player in the off season due to lack of 40 man space. It would be like trading Rooker for Jorge Alcala or Trading Rooker for a future free agent because they want to keep Alcala. 

 

Adding Rooker before the Rule 5 draft (or at the very least the upcoming trade deadline) would require roster management negligence from Thad Lavine so it isn't going to happen unless Rooker demonstrates value beyond whatever is currently on the 40 man roster. We are talking a Tatis, Vlad Jr, Acuna or Soto type of demonstration and even that isn't going to help get him here now because that type of talent they would probably want to wait until next Mid-April for the extra year of control if he is that talented. 

 

And once you grasp that... you have to look at the current 40 man roster and come to the conclusion that we have a lot of talent performing at a high level on the current 40 man roster and therefore Rooker can't move the needle enough in 2019. 

 

On top of all that: The Twins need Roster Spots for the Trade Deadline additions and you can bet that the Twins will be using the names on the list above as their preferred trade bait because of the limited 40 man roster space in December and the decisions that they will have to make as a result. Adding Rooker just blocks up a spot and we don't have enough spots.

 

For example... giving Rooker takes a 40 man spot right now. The Twins trade Alcala for Bumgarner. Bumgarner now needs a 40 man spot and you gave it to Rooker. So to accomodate Bumgarner... the Twins will have to release a player. 

 

Now adding Rooker has cost us a current player on the 40 man roster sometime this month AND a potential Dec. 2019 rule 5 eligible player in December. 

 

Ash and Brock are trying to help you. I'd listen to them because it will be a waste of your time and energy wishing or hoping that Rooker appears in a Twins uniform anytime soon.:)

 

 

 

 

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Posted 07 July 2019 - 09:44 AM

Here's a look at Buxton's two-run single from the second inning. I think pre-2019 Byron goes down swinging in that at bat. He's making adjustments and anticipating pitches much better this year.

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Posted 07 July 2019 - 11:35 AM

 

All you hear about is how amazing the Yankees’ story is with injuries. Well, the Twins have come out of nowhere to enter the conversation for the most prolific offense of all time. That has been done without a full lineup contingent healthy for nigh a single game this year (honestly, I think none).

The Twins still have 8 hitters, all from their opening day lineup, with 250+ PA this season. (And the 9th spot would be catcher, where they have low PAs primarily due to splitting the position rather than injury, although Garver did have a stint on the DL.)

 

By comparison, the Yankees have only 5 guys meeting that 250 PA threshold, and only 4 of them were from their opening day lineup. Plus a couple extended pitcher injuries (Severino, Betances) where the Twins have had virtually none.

 

SpoTrac has the Yankees with 23 players missing 1310 days so far in 2019, worst in MLB. Even if you think Ellsbury and Tulowitzki shouldn't count, they are still way ahead of the Twins who have missed the 4th fewest days at 357:

 

https://www.spotrac....umulative-team/

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Posted 07 July 2019 - 11:50 AM

He's 25? There are no service clock issues. I'd guess it is about the forty man.

That’s what I mean by “service clock”. Adding a player to the 40-man certainly isn’t as critical as running up service time in the majors, but it’s also important to how a player’s control is managed going forward. For example, Rooker’s trade value drops a bit if he’s on the 40-man roster.

Anyway, my main point is that teams don’t make unnecessary moves that cannot be reversed. Once a guy is on the 40-man, he’s there for good and your options going forward are therefore somewhat limited.
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Posted 07 July 2019 - 01:39 PM

Rooker should be at the top of the list of guys the Twins are trying to trade for pitching. Cron is controlled through 2020 and if Sano is still around, I imagine he’ll slide over in 2021.



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