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#21 Riverbrian

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 06:16 AM

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he's out of options, the only way would be to fake an injury

 

He has an option. 

 

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 06:17 AM

Yesterday was Friday, June 21 and it was the 75th game of the year.The Twins are now 46%of the way through the season.Out of 59 years, the current team ranks 23rd on the all-time list of Twins' home runs in one season and are on a pace to hit 309 home runs this season.

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 06:24 AM

I’m happy for Sano. I’m critical of him but want him to succeed. I’m sure this stretch hasn’t been fun so maybe the homer will allow him to relax a little

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 06:54 AM

The level of Sano induced insanity has hit an all-time high. He hit a home run in a massive spot to tie the game....and his demotion is called for. Despite a rough patch, he’s still OPSing .850. Astudillo is barely OPSing .600, and the same people are ready to put his number next Mauer’s on the limestone. Taking a step back and thinking about it....it’s comical.

It’s very similar to the obsession with Trump right now. Reality is thrown out the window. Facts mean nothing. It’s hysteria.

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 07:04 AM

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he's out of options, the only way would be to fake an injury

 

Sano has actually 2 options remaining so he could be sent down.

 

Problem is with Adrianza and Marwin Gonzales on the shelf, the Twins would have to bring up a guy on the 40-man roster who can play 3rd base. The only guy on the 40 who could even think about filling in would be Nick Gordon. Do you want to call up Nick Gordon to play 3rd base for a handful of games in his MLB debut?

 

Actually I kinda would like that haha! But I am pretty sure the Twins would not.

 

I'm super concerned about Sano just like everyone else. His homerun was absolutely the difference in last night's game but honestly he's looked absolutely lost. Although that K in the 9th inning featured 2 terrible strike calls against him...but I just don't see how you can play a guy going through a slump like this. Sano makes Joey Gallo look like Tony Gwynn.

 

I'm way more concerned about Perez. It's pretty clear that his early season success was indeed a fluke and he's back to being that pitcher who pitched to the tune of a 6.62 ERA last year in Texas. The Twins can't trade him, and can't move him to the bullpen as he wouldn't help there. I checked and it appears that Perez isn't out of options, so I think the logical move would be to send him down as soon as the Twins trade for help. Bumgardner fill his shoes nicely.


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 07:14 AM

 

The level of Sano induced insanity has hit an all-time high. He hit a home run in a massive spot to tie the game....and his demotion is called for. Despite a rough patch, he’s still OPSing .850. Astudillo is barely OPSing .600, and the same people are ready to put his number next Mauer’s on the limestone. Taking a step back and thinking about it....it’s comical.

It’s very similar to the obsession with Trump right now. Reality is thrown out the window. Facts mean nothing. It’s hysteria.

 

I think it's best to keep this board politics-free, there are lots of places we can talk about Trump, Bernie, and Biden but I'd rather not see it here on TwinsDaily. I think we can all agree to that.

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 07:17 AM

Yesterday was Friday, June 21 and it was the 75th game of the year. The Twins are now 46% of the way through the season. Out of 59 years, the current team ranks 23rd on the all-time list of Twins' home runs in one season and are on a pace to hit 309 home runs this season.


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 07:20 AM

I think the previous post was intended to be sarcasm

Maybe. I think there is a chance he was serious. I don't know what to think.

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 07:32 AM

Would ripping players in the postgame help the team win more games? If so. Do it.

I don’t think it helps and if anything makes it harder to work with a player. With social media a manager’s words are immediately available and easily repeated. That wasn’t the case when Gardenhire started managing. I think Rocco has this part figured out.
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Posted 22 June 2019 - 07:35 AM

2 more errors in the game.... not good.


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 07:37 AM

Sano has actually 2 options remaining so he could be sent down.

Problem is with Adrianza and Marwin Gonzales on the shelf, the Twins would have to bring up a guy on the 40-man roster who can play 3rd base. The only guy on the 40 who could even think about filling in would be Nick Gordon. Do you want to call up Nick Gordon to play 3rd base for a handful of games in his MLB debut?

Actually I kinda would like that haha! But I am pretty sure the Twins would not.

I'm super concerned about Sano just like everyone else. His homerun was absolutely the difference in last night's game but honestly he's looked absolutely lost. Although that K in the 9th inning featured 2 terrible strike calls against him...but I just don't see how you can play a guy going through a slump like this. Sano makes Joey Gallo look like Tony Gwynn.

I'm way more concerned about Perez. It's pretty clear that his early season success was indeed a fluke and he's back to being that pitcher who pitched to the tune of a 6.62 ERA last year in Texas. The Twins can't trade him, and can't move him to the bullpen as he wouldn't help there. I checked and it appears that Perez isn't out of options, so I think the logical move would be to send him down as soon as the Twins trade for help. Bumgardner fill his shoes nicely.

Of course, I'm also concerned about Perez, but he's still striking out batters right and left. He's gets in trouble when he walks guys. To be fair, the error by Polanco helped to blow up the first inning. He really only made one awful pitch in the sixth; the problem, as is always the case with him, was the freeloaders on 1st and 2nd. It's a conundrum.

Edited by Aerodeliria, 22 June 2019 - 07:38 AM.

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 07:47 AM

Another less than stellar start by our pitcher.Gotta expect all three will get back on track, hopefully soon.And considering all the innings pitched, the bullpen hasn't been all that bad.Only problem is Berrios better go 7 or 8 today cause Rogers will probably be unavailable.

 

It is clear to me that the MVP of this team is Buxton.There is no question it is a different team when he isn't out in center field and raising havoc from the #9 spot in the order.How different will this team be defensively (Kepler in right) and offensively with Buxton at #9 and Cave in Rochester?Very different, at least in my opinion.

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 07:52 AM

Over his last five starts, Perez’s ERA has gone from 2.95 to 4.28.

24 IP, 20 earned runs.
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Posted 22 June 2019 - 08:04 AM

 

The level of Sano induced insanity has hit an all-time high. He hit a home run in a massive spot to tie the game....and his demotion is called for. Despite a rough patch, he’s still OPSing .850. Astudillo is barely OPSing .600, and the same people are ready to put his number next Mauer’s on the limestone. Taking a step back and thinking about it....it’s comical.

Stopppppppppp it with this .850 OPS stuff.

 

Over the past 28 days, Sano has a .709 OPS and a .198 batting average. He's not playing well and literally struck out in 80% of his plate appearances last night.

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 08:24 AM

Would ripping players in the postgame help the team win more games? If so. Do it.

I don’t think it helps and if anything makes it harder to work with a player. With social media a manager’s words are immediately available and easily repeated. That wasn’t the case when Gardenhire started managing. I think Rocco has this part figured out.


Agreed

Rocco can’t rake his players over the coals publicly. And the reason is our fault and not his.

We simply don’t know how to behave with the information.
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Posted 22 June 2019 - 08:34 AM

Stopppppppppp it with this .850 OPS stuff.

Over the past 28 days, Sano has a .709 OPS and a .198 batting average. He's not playing well and literally struck out in 80% of his plate appearances last night.

Agreed

And this could turn into a hot streak later so you keep working with him.

It’s awesome that we have 11 other players who potentially contribute so Sano doesn’t kill us.

All Rocco has to do at the moment is just play Sano a little less and keep working with him.

If Sano doesn’t snap out of it. We have the option to use. We got until 2022 to make a decision on him.

There is currently no reason at all to rush to judgement.
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Posted 22 June 2019 - 08:40 AM

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I checked and it appears that Perez isn't out of options, so I think the logical move would be to send him down as soon as the Twins trade for help. Bumgardner fill his shoes nicely.


Players with 5 years service time can refuse any optional assignment, even if they technically have options remaining.
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Posted 22 June 2019 - 08:42 AM

the fact that we are winning games like this is a testimony to the offense. That said, we've been playing a lot of sloppy baseball of late. I really hope they can correct that at some point. The cracks are showing. 

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 08:43 AM

 

He has an option. 

 

You are corrected.:)

 

This may be the right course of action too. He really needs to work on his plate discipline. Sending him down when Marwin returns to see if he needs a couple weeks in AAA to get his head straight might not be a bad idea.

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 09:02 AM

I'm pleased we came back yet again on the strength of the offense, but a historic season will go the way of the dodo bird if the starting pitching (and sometimes relief pitching) keeps breaking down. How many times can the offense rescue a bad start? Every team has its collective slumps, of course, and the Twins aren't immune, but with the lineup in place this year, I think there's always one or two or three able to get on base or whack one out, so it's pitching that will make or break a post-season run. Perez has three of the better mentors in the game: Wes Johnson, Johan Santana, and Oddorizzi, who's taught him how to exploit the cutter. He's got to do better on a consistent basis. Gibby needs more consistency, though probably his mistake this time was not getting enough sleep after the 17-inning win because he wanted to party with the boys of summer. Oddorizzi has the right to a sub-par start with the season he's had, though afterwards he seemed truculent that the Royals had the good sense to work the count and hit singles instead of swinging for the downs. They might have discovered a weakness in a pitcher who's never broken a radar gun. Time will tell. The bottom line, though, is that the Twins are way good enough to beat the sub-.500 teams more often than not, but aren't ready with pitching to take on the Yanks, Astros, Sox, and one or two other teams they'll need  to beat in the postseason to make it to the promised land, where, if there's no cheating, they'll be free at last, free at last, free at last.

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