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#41 USAFChief

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 08:32 AM

I think this is exactly right. In the first AB, it was clear Perez didn't want to pitch to EE. In the second AB, it was clear Perez should not be pitching to EE. In the third AB, they shouldn't have forced Perez to pitch to EE. Rather, they should have saved his pitches for Vogelbach, who didn't look like he could hit Perez, until he reached out and blooped one.

The way he looks right now, I'm not sure why we'd ever pitch to EE for the rest of this series. Doesn't look like anyone else on that team is going to hurt us. Can't believe the Indians traded him. And I'm worried that he's auditioning for the Astros right now.

he's certainly auditioning for someone.
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Posted 12 June 2019 - 09:07 AM

Great game, but Perez is starting to become a problem. He doesn't give us enough innings, even for a 5th starter. The rotation has been pretty solid, BUT..

 

(1) We have two guys who go 5 innings at best and rarely more in Pineda and Perez,

(2) Two guys who rarely go beyond 6 innings in Odorizzi and Gibson, and

(3) Only ONE starter who you feel like is likely to/might go 7 innings or more in Berrios.

 

My thinking is that while yes, we need another BP arm or two, another starter who can at least consistently go 6 plus innings might help the BP almost as much by limiting their innings. Is that Smeltzer? Who knows? Another 5 innings or less start or two by Pineda or Perez and I would seriously think about giving Smeltzer a 2-3 game run to see if he's as good as he looked last time. And, I'd do it before the trade deadline because it might impact some thinking. 

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 09:27 AM

The league has adjusted to Pérez' adjustments. He'll have to adjust a bit more, but he's got a live arm and enough stuff to be a successful starting pitcher. Regarding Encarnación, he is on most everything right now. I would guess right now the word in the Twins' clubhouse is "don't let that guy beat you".

 

May is walking a tightrope on the mound, but the fastball up is hard to square up. If he could drop an occasional curve in there, and get ahead in counts, he could be really effective. Who sits tonight vs. a soft-tossing lefty? About the only sure thing is that Garver replaces Castro. 

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 09:33 AM

 

Great game, but Perez is starting to become a problem. He doesn't give us enough innings, even for a 5th starter. The rotation has been pretty solid, BUT..

 

(1) We have two guys who go 5 innings at best and rarely more in Pineda and Perez,

(2) Two guys who rarely go beyond 6 innings in Odorizzi and Gibson, and

(3) Only ONE starter who you feel like is likely to/might go 7 innings or more in Berrios.

 

My thinking is that while yes, we need another BP arm or two, another starter who can at least consistently go 6 plus innings might help the BP almost as much by limiting their innings. Is that Smeltzer? Who knows? Another 5 innings or less start or two by Pineda or Perez and I would seriously think about giving Smeltzer a 2-3 game run to see if he's as good as he looked last time. And, I'd do it before the trade deadline because it might impact some thinking. 

The Twins are actually 2nd in the AL in innings pitched per start, just a tiny, tiny sliver behind Houston -- 5.77 vs 5.71. AL average is only 5.15.

 

This is 2019 baseball.

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 09:40 AM

I considered that but have two counterpoints. If the pen was as bad as folks here believe then the runs given up by the relievers would offset the large leads creating more save opportunities but instead as you have pointed out there are fewer save opportunities. Further, the Twins are also number three in save percentage which is a mostly independent stat from opportunities. None of those teams listed above crack the top 10. I really just want to point out that it is very rare for a fan base to be happy with their bullpen. I remember when Jesse Crain went 23 appearances without giving up a run and it seemed like no one noticed. He then gave up a home run and fans immediately went back to calling him Crain wreck.

Hahaha. Crain Wreck was a great nickname. You’re right the bullpen does get that NFL kicker treatment from fans but we just remember bullpen failures past in the playoffs and would love to avoid that.

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 09:43 AM

 

Great game, but Perez is starting to become a problem. He doesn't give us enough innings, even for a 5th starter. The rotation has been pretty solid, BUT..

 

(1) We have two guys who go 5 innings at best and rarely more in Pineda and Perez,

(2) Two guys who rarely go beyond 6 innings in Odorizzi and Gibson, and

(3) Only ONE starter who you feel like is likely to/might go 7 innings or more in Berrios.

 

My thinking is that while yes, we need another BP arm or two, another starter who can at least consistently go 6 plus innings might help the BP almost as much by limiting their innings. Is that Smeltzer? Who knows? Another 5 innings or less start or two by Pineda or Perez and I would seriously think about giving Smeltzer a 2-3 game run to see if he's as good as he looked last time. And, I'd do it before the trade deadline because it might impact some thinking. 

 

This is by management decision. Baldelli has a very hard 100 pitch max rule, regardless of whether or not the pitcher is getting good results.

 

Yes this puts more pressure on the pen, and yes it's been surprising to all of us that no moves have been made. If the Twins wait until the deadline, the interesting arms will all be gone to whoever the Twins would be facing in the postseason... and there are no waiver wire trades this year.

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 09:47 AM

I would like to point out that the strikeout pitch to Encarnacion (whatever his name is...the chicken wing guy) was framed nicely while bringing it back into the zone for the umpire.

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 10:12 AM

 

The Twins are actually 2nd in the AL in innings pitched per start, just a tiny, tiny sliver behind Houston -- 5.77 vs 5.71. AL average is only 5.15.

 

This is 2019 baseball.

You're probably right about that although it's a statistic that can be impacted by short starts or the use of an opener where your starter only goes and inning or two. We've been fortunate in that we haven't had a lot of short stats and haven't used any (?) openers. As another poster pointed out, the Twins are also impacted by what appears to be a pretty hard 100-105 pitch limit that Baldelli uses. 

 

This all points out to me that (1) we have to have an 8 man BP if we're going to use this system (means no Arreaz, Astudillo or Cave), and that(2) we either need 2 BP arms by the deadline or 1 BP and 1 quality starter. Absent that, this BP will be running on fumes by mid to late August. Also, God help us if we lose Berrios or Rogers for any extended period. 


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Posted 12 June 2019 - 10:57 AM

 

Hahaha. Crain Wreck was a great nickname. You’re right the bullpen does get that NFL kicker treatment from fans but we just remember bullpen failures past in the playoffs and would love to avoid that.

The failures I remember in the playoffs were from the #2 reliever in the game at the time. 

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 11:19 AM

This is by management decision. Baldelli has a very hard 100 pitch max rule, regardless of whether or not the pitcher is getting good results.
 
Yes this puts more pressure on the pen, and yes it's been surprising to all of us that no moves have been made. If the Twins wait until the deadline, the interesting arms will all be gone to whoever the Twins would be facing in the postseason... and there are no waiver wire trades this year.


So you’re saying... Go ugly early, because if you go ugly late, all the good ugly ones are gone??
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Posted 12 June 2019 - 11:30 AM

I, personally, am glad that EE is not on Cleveland any more. And also that the Twins beat the Mariners even despite giving up a 3-run bomb to him. Hope they can contain him today and tomorrow at least a bit.

I think Perez is alright. Certainly plenty good for a fifth starter for now.

May came in with the smallest of margins, and worked out of a (self-induced) jam. I’d chalk that up as a good outing.
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Posted 12 June 2019 - 12:43 PM

As EE sauntered to the plate, I turned to my wife and said, "I don't like this. He knows he's going yard." And so did Perez and every Twins player and every fan in the stands and at home watching telly. Let's be clear: Like Chuck Norris, EE grinds his coffee with his teeth and boils the water with his own rage.

 

I'd walk him every time there's men on base.

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 12:46 PM

 

 Is it okay to hope for our third 8-homer game of the season? Or is that asking too much?

Hope?I'd say expect or demand.

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 12:49 PM

 

About a year ago, I was a passenger in a friends car. We were driving through a parking lot, we were laughing and joking about something. Without warning, a car started to back out into his path. The backing car nosed out maybe a foot but must have saw us, because the car stopped and waited for him to go by.

Of course, the backing car did start to back out and this made my friend kinda apply the brakes a little and maybe slightly adjust the wheel to the left before straightening out and continuing on as normal.

When this happened... my friend went from mid-sentence in the middle of an uncompleted joke to screaming, cussing, out of his mind angry at the idiot driver who started to back out.

Twinsdaily can be that way sometimes. :)

 

Count me in as one of those people. When Sano struck out in the 8th....grrrr....when May put 2 on in the 9th...grrr...

 

But man. Think about how many teams out there are hovering around .500 and watching their guys just blow games left and right. Think about how last year at this time we were still holding out hope as we watched Dozier and Mauer and Robbie Grossman and Fernando Rodney every night. Man....last year, a bad game would or a bad week from a player would just kill this team. These days, a bad week from a player doesn't even matter because this team is so deep. Weird getting used to this.

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 12:55 PM

 

Hope?I'd say expect or demand.

They will hit x home runs tonight. I don't think our hope, expectations or demands will change the x to y or z.

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 01:02 PM

 

Yesterday was Tuesday, June 11 and it was the 65th game of the year.The Twins are now 40%of the way through the season.Out of 59 years, the current team ranks 33rd on the all-time list of Twins' home runs in one season and are on a pace to hit 317 home runs this season..

 

I just wanted to mention that I appreciate your consistency of these posts. 

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 01:05 PM

 

Yes, this is a remarkable thing! A dozen position players with a 1 WAR or better (a LOT better in most cases). 

 

It seems to be this team's year. Sit two guys down and watch their replacements be run producers.

 

This is how a team becomes bulletproof. The Dodgers and Cubs have been doing it this way for awhile now. I am so pleased that the Twins have followed that path and are doing even better with it at the moment. 

 

Now if the Twins can take the same approach on the mound... We might end up being used to this contention thing for a long long time. 

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 01:11 PM

 

he's certainly auditioning for someone.

 

EE auditioning for another team would be like you auditioning for a bowling team.

 

You've rolled a ball or two in front of others.  

 

 

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Posted 12 June 2019 - 01:13 PM

They will hit x home runs tonight. I don't think our hope, expectations or demands will change the x to y or z.


I demand they hit at least y homeruns but z would be best.
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Posted 12 June 2019 - 01:21 PM

 

You're probably right about that although it's a statistic that can be impacted by short starts or the use of an opener where your starter only goes and inning or two. We've been fortunate in that we haven't had a lot of short stats and haven't used any (?) openers. As another poster pointed out, the Twins are also impacted by what appears to be a pretty hard 100-105 pitch limit that Baldelli uses. 

 

This all points out to me that (1) we have to have an 8 man BP if we're going to use this system (means no Arreaz, Astudillo or Cave), and that(2) we either need 2 BP arms by the deadline or 1 BP and 1 quality starter. Absent that, this BP will be running on fumes by mid to late August. Also, God help us if we lose Berrios or Rogers for any extended period. 

 

The very second we have an injury to the rotation, or end up with a larger number of short starts... the bullpen will have to pick up the slack. It works that way. 

 

This team is playoff bound, offensively this team is World Series possible. The front office HAS TO add depth on the mound... this means finding either starters or a complete bullpen full of talent to make up any quality innings loss from our current rotation.

 

Plus, we have 3 free agents in our midst. I fully expect the front office to make a trade for a starter with at least another year of control and I expect a couple of high impact bullpen arms in addition. 

 

If the front office doesn't support this team with mound acquisitions... they should have their drivers license suspended. 

 

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