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#21 USAFChief

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Posted 11 June 2019 - 07:17 AM

Jake Cave won't get Will Smith.

 

Jake Cave is 26 and in AAA, with modest numbers and a modest minor league career. He's not a prospect in any way, shape or form. He's minor league depth. 

 

And he won't net a usable piece.

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Posted 11 June 2019 - 07:21 AM

A couple of names not mentioned yet:

 

Arizona has been pretty streaky this year, and based on their off-season, are rebuilding. Robbie Ray (27 years old, 1 year of arbitration remaining) and Archie Bradley (26 years old, 2 years of arbitration remaining) would help fill the need at both SP and RP. Both are somewhat flawed, but offer high ceiling.

 

Oakland has Blake Treinen and Lou Trivino (has struggled as of late) as a couple of guys who might be available for less than what some of the others in the original article might go for.

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Posted 11 June 2019 - 07:23 AM

 

That would be an excellent pair of pitchers to acquire. Would not come too cheap.

Brusdar, Gordon and Cave?

IMO, that would be a pretty cheap trade and I would do it in a heartbeat.


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Posted 11 June 2019 - 07:24 AM

 

A couple of names not mentioned yet:

 

Arizona has been pretty streaky this year, and based on their off-season, are rebuilding. Robbie Ray (27 years old, 1 year of arbitration remaining) and Archie Bradley (26 years old, 2 years of arbitration remaining) would help fill the need at both SP and RP. Both are somewhat flawed, but offer high ceiling.

 

Oakland has Blake Treinen and Lou Trivino (has struggled as of late) as a couple of guys who might be available for less than what some of the others in the original article might go for.

I live in Arizona, and sort of pay attention to the DBacks.

 

I'd be very surprised if they sell off. They're above .500 and in the NL WC hunt, and there's been little to no talk in the papers of them selling. 

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Posted 11 June 2019 - 07:32 AM

It would be nice to trade for Minor instead of Stroman.


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Posted 11 June 2019 - 07:37 AM

 

I live in Arizona, and sort of pay attention to the DBacks.

 

I'd be very surprised if they sell off. They're above .500 and in the NL WC hunt, and there's been little to no talk in the papers of them selling. 

 

I agree that they aren't in a full-on sell mode, but depending on how the next few weeks play out, they will figure out if they are contenders or not, and that changes things for their front office. If they play well leading up to the All-Star break, I doubt they would be sellers, but if they struggle, maybe they look to make a deal?

 

Much like our discussion on the Mets last week, it is a lower probability of a deal happening between these two teams than the other possibilities discussed on this site, but it is something different to consider.

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Posted 11 June 2019 - 07:38 AM

 

Jake Cave won't get Will Smith.

 

Jake Cave is 26 and in AAA, with modest numbers and a modest minor league career. He's not a prospect in any way, shape or form. He's minor league depth. 

 

And he won't net a usable piece.

He had a 114 OPS+ with regular playing time last year. Since being back in AAA with regular plate appearances, he's got a .366 wOBA. He also doesn't hit arbitration till 2022. He's not a prospect to build a core around, but if you're entering a rebuild like the Giants you could do way worse than having him in the OF rotation. 

I can't imagine the market for Smith being all that robust considering the service time. I figure the Cubs will be interested, but they're pretty strapped right now on their farm. They'd likely also be offering damaged goods like Ian Happ, I presume. 

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Posted 11 June 2019 - 07:38 AM

Am I being a homer or does the Will Smith rental for Jake Cave seem fair for both sides?


That's not even close to enough for Smith.
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Posted 11 June 2019 - 07:50 AM

 

He had a 114 OPS+ with regular playing time last year. Since being back in AAA with regular plate appearances, he's got a .366 wOBA. He also doesn't hit arbitration till 2022. He's not a prospect to build a core around, but if you're entering a rebuild like the Giants you could do way worse than having him in the OF rotation. 

I can't imagine the market for Smith being all that robust considering the service time. I figure the Cubs will be interested, but they're pretty strapped right now on their farm. They'd likely also be offering damaged goods like Ian Happ, I presume. 

I see that as the opposite.

 

If you're a contending team, Jake Cave in AAA makes sense as depth to cover injuries. He makes sense in the Twins OF if, for example, Kepler gets injured.

 

If you're the SF Giants, and indeed entering a rebuild, why would you waste time investing ABs in Jake Cave, who is never going to be a difference maker on a contending team, and who doesn't really make the current team much better. 

 

I would think the Giants (and similar teams) will look to acquire players with upside, even if they're several years away. Not 4th OFers.

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Posted 11 June 2019 - 07:52 AM

<< Make decent offers-90% of our best players will not make the Twins. If you want someone good,don’t insult the other team by low balling them. Those teams quickly lose respect for the Twins when that happens! >>

 

I kind of take the opposite approach. Everybody starts with a low ball position otherwise you don't have any bargaining room. It's why they are called trade negotiations. It's where you end up at agreement time that matters, not the beginning. Respect is earned through shrewd negotiating.

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Posted 11 June 2019 - 08:10 AM

Cave on his own wouldn’t get anyone better than the guys they already have in abundance.

Hand would be great, but he would probably cost Kirilloff or Graterol + others. Cleveland gave up Francisco Mejia, who was approximately the number ten overall prospect at the time of the deal. Hand is signed through at least next year. 2021 is a team option. He has one less year of control than when San Diego traded him, but he’s having the best season of his career. I’m not sure I’d send a top prospect to a still-in-it division rival.

Vazquez would be great, but more expensive than Hand in terms of prospects. Giles would also be good and possibly a little cheaper, given his previous red flags.

I don’t know who they’re gonna trade for. I guess my personal preference would be Giles and/or Smith. I don’t think they’ll get more than one high profile arm, in any case, and maybe not even that. Even so, I think they’ll find some guys who can pitch tough innings.

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Posted 11 June 2019 - 08:15 AM

Andrew Baggarly of The Athletic on Bumgarner's asking price.

 

“From what industry sources are telling me, Giants president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi already has had a dialogue with some contenders, including the New York Yankees, and he made it clear the Giants will not treat Bumgarner as a yard-sale item that must be cleared off the driveway before moving day,” Baggarly writes. “The Giants will get the value they are seeking or they won’t move him.”


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Posted 11 June 2019 - 08:17 AM

Twins need another lefty in the bullpen for a deep playoff run. Trading within the division is a tough sell/buy. Go hard for Smith first, Vasquez second, Watson third. 

 

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Posted 11 June 2019 - 08:20 AM

The interesting part of being BUYERS this year is that we are perhaps set up to do so at least in part because we were SELLERS the past year or two at the deadline.Trading away guys like Escobar, Kintzler, Dozier, Garcia, Pressley (gulp), etc. were not always popular moves.However, it replenished the farm system with a number of mid-tier prospects in return.These are exactly the same type of prospects that will help the Twins trade for an arm or two, while not completely depleting the farm system.The trading window is opening, and we have some money in the bank.The plan is all starting to come together........

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Posted 11 June 2019 - 08:29 AM

Does Amir Garrett from the Reds do anything for anybody? He's having a great year on (I believe) a one year deal. 

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Posted 11 June 2019 - 08:40 AM

Even if the D-backs do sell, I don't want Bradley or Ray anyway.If you're looking for the combo-platter - Toronto is the place to shop.

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Posted 11 June 2019 - 08:44 AM

 

Does Amir Garrett from the Reds do anything for anybody? He's having a great year on (I believe) a one year deal. 

 

I'd take Garret, Iglesis or Stephenson. The Reds think they're close to contending though, I'm not sure they'd move any of them. But since they have three good controllable bullpen arms, maybe.

 

Even if the Twins were willing to pay division rival prices for Hand, I kind of suspect Cleveland wouldn't work with the Twins. I can see why an up-and-coming team would be willing to trade within the division, but there's going to be a bit of resentment from the team getting knocked off of the pedestal. 

 

I doubt Detroit would have the same reservations, but I don't want Greene. He'll be giving Sano a workout if he's closing games. As much as I'm enjoying Sano so far this year, I don't want to put the game in his, or any of the infielder's hands in the 9th.


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Posted 11 June 2019 - 08:44 AM

 

Even if the D-backs do sell, I don't want Bradley or Ray anyway.If you're looking for the combo-platter - Toronto is the place to shop.

I'd certainly take Robbie Ray, but even if the DBacks sell, I'm not sure they'd deal Ray. He's not a FA until 2021. Archie Bradley has good stuff, and might be a decent buy low bullpen candidate.

 

If they sell, Grienke will be the first to go.

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Posted 11 June 2019 - 08:46 AM

The Twins are likely to have the luxury of acquiring help just with the playoffs in mind, as it's looking like they will win the division crown handily.IMO, they'll need two bullpen guys and a top-line starter.If they are not able to get the top-line starter (i.e.--Bumgarner), the bullpen guys won't matter as much, as the Twins won't have much chance to get to the World Series without an experienced #1 starter.At least one of the bullpen guys needs to be a right-hander.I like both Giles and Holland.Although Giles has not done well previously under playoff pressure, maybe he could redeem himself.I also like left-hander Hand as a target. It's interesting to note that the writer is leery of a trade within the division for fear that whoever the Twins trade will come back to haunt the Twins in future years.I am thinking that division teams such as Detroit, KC, or Cleveland may be thinking that whoever they trade to the Twins will come back to haunt them in the future.

 

Other random thoughts: Ryan Pressley would really look good back in a Twins uniform now. If and when the Twins make the playoffs, I would think that one or a couple of the current starters would be possible bullpen pitchers.(Pineda, Perez, even Gibson if the Twins are able to acquire a front-line starter.


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Posted 11 June 2019 - 08:52 AM

Arizona has been pretty streaky this year, and based on their off-season, are rebuilding.


FWIW, Arizona was actually trying to acquire Mike Leake last week. I think they have said they are buyers, for now. Although that could change.