Posted 10 June 2019 - 12:46 PM
I was just notified that the Twins have traded LH RP (and 2015 first-round pick) Tyler Jay to the Cincinnati Reds for Cash Considerations...
I think it is now officially OK to say that the selection of Jay with the 6th overall pick in that 2015 draft did not go well.
Billy G.O.A.T
Posted 10 June 2019 - 12:59 PM
Wow, there wasn't even a need for that in terms of 40-man consideration.
Are they trying to make a statement to the other struggling former prospects? Or was he really one of the first on the chopping block to make room for the new draftees? Looks like there are plenty of guys in Ft Myers ready for the next level.
Posted 10 June 2019 - 01:04 PM
This bums me out probably more than it should.
I came around to liking him as the potential pick for the Twins while researching that draft for the site. Saw a Glen Perkins like path as his floor, though that assumed he would stay healthy.
That certainly didn't happen and his control disappeared this year. Hope he does well in his new organization.
Scouting Report: Power: 30, Hitting: 50, Arm: 60, Defense: 45, Speed: 45. "Line drive swing and shows good contact and on-base abilities. Double's power at his peak. Strong arm from 2B or the OF, stiff hands. Not a fast runner, but above average instincts on the bases. Skinny body doesn't look the part, but will sneak up on you. ACL surgery sapped much of his athleticism." (Probably)
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Posted 10 June 2019 - 01:11 PM
Yep. This happens. I feel badly for the guy.
But he's one of the 14 out of 18 pitchers taken in the first round of that 2015 draft who haven't made it up to MLB.
Many of those 14 won't, although a handful still have a way better shot at it than Jay, that's for sure.
And even of the four that have so far, two of them have given their teams a total of 5 innings their teams might have been better off without (Fulmer and Allard).
More fuel for the argument that maybe focusing on position players at the top of the draft isn't such a crazy idea.
Billy G.O.A.T
Posted 10 June 2019 - 01:35 PM
I think if anything, this along with guys like Eades and Wimmers show that there's no such thing as a "high floor" when drafting pitchers. More often than not, just draft the guys with the most potential because the percent chance that a "safe" player might make it compared to a "risky" player probably has a difference in the single digits.
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Posted 10 June 2019 - 01:44 PM
Wow, there wasn't even a need for that in terms of 40-man consideration.
Are they trying to make a statement to the other struggling former prospects? Or was he really one of the first on the chopping block to make room for the new draftees? Looks like there are plenty of guys in Ft Myers ready for the next level.
I think the nature of minor league baseball is such that no statements ever need to be made to struggling prospects. First round picks get a longer leash than most, but anyone can be traded/cut at anytime, and every player in the minors is aware of that.
Looking back at the 2015 draft, it is a bummer the Twins took Jay instead of Walker Buehler or Mike Soroka, but that is the way things go.
Elizabethton Twins
Posted 10 June 2019 - 01:50 PM
The player taken immediately after Jay, Andrew Benintendi, wasn't the worst alternative either (I know hindsight is always 20/20)
Formerly nasu1970
Posted 10 June 2019 - 01:58 PM
I was just notified that the Twins have traded LH RP (and 2015 first-round pick) Tyler Jay to the Cincinnati Reds for Cash Considerations...
I think it is now officially OK to say that the selection of Jay with the 6th overall pick in that 2015 draft did not go well.
Damn, only cash considerations .... I was hoping to get Chicago involved on a three-way deal that would somehow also get Brian Duensing moved from Iowa to the Reds and the Twins end up with Amir Garrett!
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Posted 10 June 2019 - 02:00 PM
I think if anything, this along with guys like Eades and Wimmers show that there's no such thing as a "high floor" when drafting pitchers. More often than not, just draft the guys with the most potential because the percent chance that a "safe" player might make it compared to a "risky" player probably has a difference in the single digits.
It's really not that different with position players (though pitchers are riskier, all else being equal). The main issue for most amateur players is that they aren't good enough to play in MLB and never will be. So there's really no such thing as a "safe" pick, unless a player is ready for MLB on the day of the draft. That's rarely the case even for the #1 overall pick.
Even beyond that, bench players/role players are relatively easy to acquire for MLB teams. So "high floor" players might make the Majors but provide very little value beyond what could have been acquired in free agency, off waivers, etc.
If you ain't got no haters, you ain't poppin'.
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Posted 10 June 2019 - 02:14 PM
The player taken immediately after Jay, Andrew Benintendi, wasn't the worst alternative either (I know hindsight is always 20/20)
Twins fans would have revolted had we taken Benintendi, we were all in on pitching that year, (as fans) no one was even considering other options. This is why we don't get stuck on position when drafting
Posted 10 June 2019 - 02:25 PM
Yep. This happens. I feel badly for the guy.
But he's one of the 14 out of 18 pitchers taken in the first round of that 2015 draft who haven't made it up to MLB.
Many of those 14 won't, although a handful still have a way better shot at it than Jay, that's for sure.
And even of the four that have so far, two of them have given their teams a total of 5 innings their teams might have been better off without (Fulmer and Allard).
More fuel for the argument that maybe focusing on position players at the top of the draft isn't such a crazy idea.
That's the reality of the draft. They all go into the draft with a ton of information and have seen all the players and they take the guy they feel is best... and sometimes it's right and sometimes it's wrong.
Got hurt, and that's too bad.
Billy G.O.A.T
Posted 10 June 2019 - 02:26 PM
Twins fans would have revolted had we taken Benintendi, we were all in on pitching that year, (as fans) no one was even considering other options. This is why we don't get stuck on position when drafting
It wasn't me, but I seem to recall several Benintendi fans around here; some people swear by the Golden Spike Award winners, and good lord, after seeing the past winners, maybe we all should, the odds don't get much better than that:
https://en.wikipedia...en_Spikes_Award
Posted 10 June 2019 - 02:27 PM
Kind of a courtesy move, maybe? Trying to be classy and whatnot. Hopefully a fresh start jump starts things for him. Make way for Hackimer?
Hard to know. It's possible that he asked for a trade and the front office was fine with it.
And... Hackimer is already in Pensacola.
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Posted 10 June 2019 - 02:31 PM
It wasn't me, but I seem to recall several Benintendi fans around here; some people swear by the Golden Spike Award winners, and good lord, after seeing the past winners, maybe we all should, the odds don't get much better than that:
I don't recall a single person on here calling for him. In fact I don't recall anyone calling for a non pitcher at all
Senior Member
Posted 10 June 2019 - 02:31 PM
It wasn't me, but I seem to recall several Benintendi fans around here; some people swear by the Golden Spike Award winners, and good lord, after seeing the past winners, maybe we all should, the odds don't get much better than that:
Ha. I was going to point out that this Twins fan <points at self/> would have been very happy with Benintendi.
Senior Member
Posted 10 June 2019 - 02:35 PM
It wasn't me, but I seem to recall several Benintendi fans around here; some people swear by the Golden Spike Award winners, and good lord, after seeing the past winners, maybe we all should, the odds don't get much better than that:
That IS an impressive list.
I doubt the Twins will have the 2019 Golden Spikes winner available to them when they draft next, considering they'll have the last pick in the first round and all.
