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#21 Riverbrian

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 12:40 PM

 

I think they better know a lot about Eades before he throws a major league ball. They should know the velocity and movement of his pitches. They should know whether he is able to hit his location. If they have to treat these call ups as a fair audition (particularly for a 27 year old they should know a lot about) then we need to replace the staff.

I think he will be up in the role of low leverage long relief similar to Littell with Duffey moving to a higher leverage role.

 

If you are right... don't bother with the call up then. He will only waste time and space.  

 

And if you are right... we need to replace the staff. They missed on quite a few... Hildenberger was a high leverage guy. Anderson is in Miami, Burdi is in Pittsburgh, Belisle was on the roster. Reed was signed to big money, Perez was our 5th starter whose turn was skipped in April.

 

If this was an exact science... we can just put our feet up and let their projections happen as they project. The suspense will be gone because the scouts nail it every time. It'll be tough to explain the 10 year rebuild though. 

 

 

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 12:59 PM

Taylor Rogers is a really fun guy to think about in conversations like these. He finished his final full season in the minors by posting a 5.48 ERA over his final 70.2 IP and only had 55 Ks over that stretch. That was all as a starter. He had a 4.34 ERA in 18.2 Triple A innings in 2016, making just one start in that time, when the Twins called him up for what turned out to be for good. 

 

Rogers had a 7.36 ERA through his first three appearances with the Twins. He had a 5.28 ERA through his first 14 appearances with the Twins. Opponents hit .328/.377/.578 (.955 OPS) against him during that time. Then it happened. It clicked. He was fortunate to have the opportunity to break in during a 103-loss season. You get a lot more wiggle room than when your team is competitive.

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 01:04 PM

You call him up because they want a pitcher that can do what Littell did and give them several innings of that Tampa Bay game. Those innings were critical. He saved the pen. It helped the team win the next three games. If he Is never needed that is even better. No blow outs. He doesn’t need a fair audition here. He is up to help the team win and should take advantage of any opportunity he gets before he is shuttled back.

I think they did need to make significant changes to the staff and did so.
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Posted 08 June 2019 - 01:14 PM

You call him up because they want a pitcher that can do what Littell did and give them several innings of that Tampa Bay game. Those innings were critical. He saved the pen. It helped the team win the next three games. If he Is never needed that is even better. No blow outs. He doesn’t need a fair audition here. He is up to help the team win and should take advantage of any opportunity he gets before he is shuttled back.

I think they did need to make significant changes to the staff and did so.


If someone to eat innings is all you require then that is all you will get. Astudillo could have saved the pen that fateful day in Tampa. Raise the bar and raise it now.

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 01:15 PM

Taylor Rogers is a really fun guy to think about in conversations like these. He finished his final full season in the minors by posting a 5.48 ERA over his final 70.2 IP and only had 55 Ks over that stretch. That was all as a starter. He had a 4.34 ERA in 18.2 Triple A innings in 2016, making just one start in that time, when the Twins called him up for what turned out to be for good.

Rogers had a 7.36 ERA through his first three appearances with the Twins. He had a 5.28 ERA through his first 14 appearances with the Twins. Opponents hit .328/.377/.578 (.955 OPS) against him during that time. Then it happened. It clicked. He was fortunate to have the opportunity to break in during a 103-loss season. You get a lot more wiggle room than when your team is competitive.

he was called up and retained because he was tough on lefties, and gained velo into the mid 90s in the pen. There were already calls on this board and elsewhere to make him a reliever.

He's certainly gotten better over time, but he's not the typical case.

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 01:18 PM

Congrats to Ryan Eades and welcome.

 

Had been wondering during spring training if Eades and/or D.J. Baxendale would ever get a chance.Looks like sometime today or tomorrow, Eades will!

 

We can all see that his numbers at AAA aren't impressive.As for the one bad outing, we don't know what was going on that led to those results.In any case, he wouldn't be the first pitcher to have mediocre numbers at AAA and turn it on once he got to the big stage.Heck, Joe Nathan had a 4.32 ERA with a 1.39 WHIP at AAA in the year he broke in with the Giants for half a year.Not saying Eades can be the next Joe Nathan.Just saying we need to give him a chance to see what he can do and hope for a pleasant surprise.

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 01:28 PM

If someone to eat innings is all you require then that is all you will get. Astudillo could have saved the pen that fateful day in Tampa. Raise the bar and raise it now.

its not so much that it's all they require, it's all they have available.

He'll almost certainly get innings that matter, because every reliever pitches at least some innings that matter. It's the nature of MLB. There are too many games that aren't decided until the final out to pretend that a reliever will never be asked to get important outs.

But he'll be the last option for them, and he should be.
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Posted 08 June 2019 - 01:55 PM

This is all about seeing what we have before the FO pulls the trigger on a trade that costs us prospects to get a rental reliever. If memory serves, Eades was good in spring training. Give him a shot and see if he can be part of a long-term bullpen plan before we take the next step and trade some potentially good prospects for a reliever. I would guess that right now relief help very expensive in terms of prospects because there’s so much of the season left. While I would love to see them trade for one of the San Francisco relievers as I mentioned in an earlier post, I understand this move. Frankly, I think Reed will also get a chance over the next month for the same reason.

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 01:56 PM

 

Mejia might be getting close, but I think Ronald Torreyes would be that guy. He's on AAA's inactive list if I remember right.

Torreyes placed on the restricted list, whatever that is. He is no longer on the 40-man roster.

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 01:58 PM

I am happy for him, offer congratulations and hope for the best, of course. I thought he was done until he re-invented himself as a full time RP/designated SP at times in 2018. Suddenly he looked like a prospect again and had a nice ST. But even with eliminating the one bad game, his numbers are still average at best.

With all due hope and respect for the kid, this is all we have?

I will not blame the FO entirely for this situation. I know I never saw Romero struggling this, nor Mejia. I also didnt see just about every other AAA pen arm looking this bad.

There are viable, useful arms in the Twins pen currently. But HIGH LEVERAGE arms are missing. They had better figure something out/find someone over the next few weeks or acquiring outside help suddenly becomes "desperate" and not just necessary.

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 02:10 PM

And TIL his name is not pronounced "Eed-ez".


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Posted 08 June 2019 - 02:33 PM

Just like making a trade or picking up a FA.

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 04:41 PM

 

This is all about seeing what we have before the FO pulls the trigger on a trade

I think it's all about needing another arm, and Eades is the poor choice du jour.

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 05:08 PM

 

You never know until you hand them the ball. 

 

The Twins have to simultaneously look for acquisitions and players from their own system because it's important. They can't just plan for future acquisitions to fill up the bullpen, they need to find guys in their own system as well because we don't know who will get hurt in September and be out for the playoffs. 

 

They can't Mike Morin their way through the bullpen anymore. Mike has thrown 11 primarily non-stress innings and he has 0.64 WHIP. Yet, he goes from pitching in the Tampa Bay 14-3 loss to last night without throwing a pitch. 

 

You either trust Morin or you don't. If you don't... Move on. If you are not sure about Morin... Find out. If you trust him... use him. 

 

If Eades is coming to join us and he is... He must be auditioned fairly. 

 

This is critical because if we lose a couple arms out of the rotation... the spotlight on the bullpen is going to be bright... and I mean very bright. They can't predict the trade market, they can be hopeful but they can't predict it. 

 

Playoffs are coming... Get prepared for it... Don't burn roster spots with placeholders. They have built depth with the position players... now they must turn their attention to assembling depth on the pitching mound. 

 

If Eades can help... get out of the way and let him. 

Wasn't Morin used last night?


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Posted 08 June 2019 - 06:04 PM

FWIW Torreys was in the temporarily inactive list in AAA because he was dealing with a family health issue

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 07:04 PM

Torreyes placed on the restricted list, whatever that is. He is no longer on the 40-man roster.

per the rule book it’s for investigation to periods to rules violations and when players fail to report, or have visa issues.
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Posted 08 June 2019 - 07:05 PM

Eades was going to be eligible for minor league free agency this coming winter, so not much risk in DFA'ing him if we need to this season.
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Posted 09 June 2019 - 07:35 AM

 

its not so much that it's all they require, it's all they have available.

He'll almost certainly get innings that matter, because every reliever pitches at least some innings that matter. It's the nature of MLB. There are too many games that aren't decided until the final out to pretend that a reliever will never be asked to get important outs.

But he'll be the last option for them, and he should be.

 

There will be an end of the bench on all teams. You've been trying to teach me that for quite some time. 

 

WIth my right hand raised I promise that "I have always believed that there will be an end of the bench". 

 

Where you and I seem to be completely opposed. 

 

You seem to be not only OK but you actually seem to strongly advocate predetermination of who is at the end of the bench.  

 

I am the North Pole to your South Pole on this point specifically. I believe that predetermination is a root cause of something very very bad in the sport of baseball. 

 

Predetermination is how the 2018 Twins happened. Predetermination is how Logan Morrison happened, Predetermination is how Luke Voit ends up in a Yankee Uniform. Predetermination is why the Twins rebuild has taken so damn long. 

 

When Jorgenswest states that the front office knows who Ryan Eades is, I don't believe it. I believe the front office has been watching, measuring, taking notes and I don't believe the front office is negligent in the science but the task at hand is too hard because the margins are thin. 

 

I don't know Ryan Eades from a hole in a wall but he has been handed a roster spot so let's find out because the team needs to find out. 

 

If you believe that he can't out perform Matt Magill before he even throws a MLB pitch. I'm not sure how you are able to reach that conclusion in consideration of those thin margins...However, if Baldelli agrees with you and refuses to deploy Eades. Then he can only be described as a waste of precious time and space and we've been doing a lot of wasting over the years. 

 

 

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 07:39 AM

 

Wasn't Morin used last night?

 

Yes he was and prior to that, the last time he was used was the final inning mop up of the 14-3 Blowout in Tampa. Morin has been on the beach for a long time and we watched Magill blow up 3 times during that stretch of not using Morin 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 08:27 AM

There will be an end of the bench on all teams. You've been trying to teach me that for quite some time.

WIth my right hand raised I promise that "I have always believed that there will be an end of the bench".

Where you and I seem to be completely opposed.

You seem to be not only OK but you actually seem to strongly advocate predetermination of who is at the end of the bench.

I am the North Pole to your South Pole on this point specifically. I believe that predetermination is a root cause of something very very bad in the sport of baseball.

Predetermination is how the 2018 Twins happened. Predetermination is how Logan Morrison happened, Predetermination is how Luke Voit ends up in a Yankee Uniform. Predetermination is why the Twins rebuild has taken so damn long.

When Jorgenswest states that the front office knows who Ryan Eades is, I don't believe it. I believe the front office has been watching, measuring, taking notes and I don't believe the front office is negligent in the science but the task at hand is too hard because the margins are thin.

I don't know Ryan Eades from a hole in a wall but he has been handed a roster spot so let's find out because the team needs to find out.

If you believe that he can't out perform Matt Magill before he even throws a MLB pitch. I'm not sure how you are able to reach that conclusion in consideration of those thin margins... However, if Baldelli agrees with you and refuses to deploy Eades. Then he can only be described as a waste of precious time and space and we've been doing a lot of wasting over the years.


For every Luke Voigt there are 2999 washouts where their past history proved correct, and they had no ability to perform well in MLB.

I dont want the Twins to sift through 2999 washouts looking for nr 3000. I want them to acquire and play the few who have demonstrated a high likelihood of success. I certainly dont want them to look at 2 scoreless innings from Ryan Eades, which consisted of modest pitches and 4 baserunners, and a runner thrown out at the plate, and determine there's more there than 6 minor league years have shown.

He's on the team, and will get innings so I hope he performs well. But I hope they dont stop looking for better options, so he can be returned to Rochester where he belongs.
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