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#21 USAFChief

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 06:44 AM

 

Of course this would happen.

On the day Craig Kimbrel reportedly reached an agreement to sign with the Cubs, the Twins bullpen blows a two-run lead in the seventh inning. This is pretty much the most Minnesota Sports way this day could have possibly gone. 

Stealing my stuff, Tom?:)

 

From last night's game thread:

 

Posted by USAFChief on Yesterday, 07:48 PM in Minnesota Twins Talk

Sort of karma for the bullpen to implode on the same night Kimbrel signs with the Cubs, no?

 

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#22 AlwaysinModeration

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 06:55 AM

Twins year by tens

6-4
7-3
6-4
6-4
9-1
6-4

New set of ten starts today. Keep rolling, boys.
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Posted 06 June 2019 - 07:10 AM

 

Twins year by tens

6-4
7-3
6-4
6-4
9-1
6-4

New set of ten starts today. Keep rolling, boys.

More of those 9-1 ten game stretches please.

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 07:18 AM

More of those 9-1 ten game stretches please.


In football terms, the Twins are 6-0 and have ten games left, including both games against Cleveland.
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Posted 06 June 2019 - 07:21 AM

 

While I don't disagree getting different, perhaps better players might help, I'm more inclined to see if they can also get these guys back on track.  Perez and Parker, particularly.

 

For some perspective or whatever:  The Yankees and Dodgers both got walked off, with Expensive Offseason Bullpen Acquisition Zack Britton the goat in the former.

 

Elsewhere, the Astros got obliterated 14-1 by Seattle, as Mike Leake threw an 89 pitch complete game.  

 

Good teams lose, in a variety of ways.

 

And Miami - the worst team in the NL; 4th worst team in MLB - has outscored Milwaukee 24-3 in taking the first two games of their series. Maybe this is the statistical week MLB is punishing the good teams and rewarding the meek?

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 07:30 AM

Sure, the Twins are 34-2 after leading after 7, but having big leads has masked the bullpens shortcomings at least a little.They gave up 7 runs to Tampa bay and 6 or 7 to the Angels not too long ago besides last night's meltdown. Seriously, besides Rogers and Harper, who do you feel confident in to come in and get the job done? And there doesn't appear to be any help available in the minors. Many of us wanted an upgrade to the bullpen in the off season.

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 07:45 AM

Pure speculation...Twins say hey Craig we can do 2/30...15/yr. how does that sound?No, I want a 3 year deal please....hey Craig how does 30 over 2 years sound?No, I want a 3 year deal for real.Cubs say hey Craig how does a 3 year deal for 43 sound?Great lets do it!If this is the case for the Twins to say they can't commit an extra $13 mill to make a quality run that is sad.A deep run in the playoffs easily pays that extra year.Instances like this are why ownership gets the stigma attached of not wanting to go the extra mile to win.Hopefully Derek/Thad have a viable plan B in their hip pocket.From purely a 'business' standpoint they made a poor decision for the rest of 2019.This would have really ignited more interest in the season this team is having. 

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 07:52 AM

 

Sure, the Twins are 34-2 after leading after 7, but having big leads has masked the bullpens shortcomings at least a little.They gave up 7 runs to Tampa bay and 6 or 7 to the Angels not too long ago besides last night's meltdown. Seriously, besides Rogers and Harper, who do you feel confident in to come in and get the job done? And there doesn't appear to be any help available in the minors. Many of us wanted an upgrade to the bullpen in the off season.

They need to upgrade the bullpen, nobody is going to dispute that. 

 

Yes, my main frustration with the bullpen building was over the offseason too. I'm not going to be too upset the Twins won't commit $40+ million to a reliever, but there were a lot of attractive options that signed for two or even one-year deals. Taking a quick look through how those guys are doing, however, you see that a ton of them have been poor investments.

 

Joakim Soria was my favorite bargain bin guy. He has a 5.16 ERA. Kelvin Herrera has a 7.36 ERA, Jeurys Familia has a 6.56 ERA, Joe Kelly a 7.91 ERA, Andrew Miller a 3.98 ERA, David Robertson a 5.40 ERA, Cody Allen a 4.50 ERA. Some of those guys are also hurt.

 

What I'm trying to say is bullpens are stupid :) Wrap up your victories in the first six innings. Get your starting rotation pitching well and your lineup socking bombas so you don't need to rely too much on the pen.

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 08:01 AM

Much as this loss grinds on me, there were a few things working against the Twins:

 

1. Hits that found holes and bled through.

2. Perez seeming to have forgotten everything that got him where he currently is.

3. Shaky fielding. Sano's error cost the Twins in a big way.

4. Ump getting an attitude.

 

The Twins do have some arms, but, those arms need to step up and get the job done.

 

I never really thought Parker was much more than a stop-gap, much as I approve of the name, until someone currently in the organization got their act together

 

May obviously has the fastball and if he can get his curve ball working, should be good to go.

 

Fernando Romero has the stuff, but, does he have the confidence needed to anchor the bullpen?

 

Then, Hildenburger fell apart for whatever reason.

 

Hopefully, some answers will appear over the next few weeks and they will come from within rather than spending a ton of money on an FA acquisition.

 

I say this as a fan who's not a numbers guy like a lot of you scary big brains on this site.

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 08:07 AM

We can only hope the Kimbrel signing works as well as the Darvish signing has for the Cubs.

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 08:27 AM

Anybody think this causes the FO to pivot to Kuechel? Sure, he doesn't help the BP directly but he would be an upgrade over either Perez or Pineda and would cut down on some of the necessary bullpen usage. Plus, it would allow Pineda to go to the BP. Hard to know if that would work, but it might. 


#32 Sam Morley

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 08:27 AM

Parker and his 91 mph fastball were really going for the bullseye last night. Everyone is always talking about how great it is to paint the corners, but no one ever gives credit for nailing the exact dead center of the strike zone. Tip of the hat, B.

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 08:38 AM

Last night was just a weird game. Cleveland had to piece together a bullpen game after Carrasco's news. A long rain delay midway through the game. A really slow pace of play leading up to the delay. No need to look at this game and think it is an indication of either team, really.

 

As many others have noted, Perez was bad again. Starting a game with a 4 pitch walk set the tone for him to struggle through his outing. Sano made an error and Castro had a passed ball that resulted in the Twins defense standing on the field for an extra half hour or so while Perez worked incredibly slowly.

 

The bullpen concerns are very valid, but I am more concerned with the fact Baldelli is reluctant to bring Rodgers in too early in a game. Bring Rodgers into the game after the rain delay instead of Parker, let him try to get 6 outs and kill any hope Cleveland has in a comeback. All too often it feels like Baldelli wants to get to the 9th with a lead for Rodgers to protect when Rodgers might best be used earlier to help lock the game down.

 

As it pertains to Kimbrel, the Twins front office has done an incredible job of keeping their payroll flexibility open for future years. A Buxton extension and a Rosario extension are more important. Neither extension prevents the Twins from signing Kimbrel, of course, but there is always some trickle down impact on future signings. I am optimistic the Twins will look to SF or Oakland for more affordable (and possibly more productive) bullpen help.


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:42 AM

Bad loss. Cleveland was in a desperate and almost hopeless position, and still they found a way to win the game (or the Twins found a way to lose it...whichever you prefer). It's the kind of bad loss, great win, that can have lingering effects, on both clubs IMO. We'll see.

 

Hopefully, this thing for Carrasco is quickly controlled and remedied from the standpoint of his health.


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:47 AM

 

In football terms, the Twins are 6-0 and have ten games left, including both games against Cleveland.

Isn't it more appropriate to just divide total wins and losses by ten to put them in "football terms"?

 

By that measure, the Twins are 4-2, and Cleveland is 3-3. (And Cleveland has both head-to-head games left to make up ground.)

 

FWIW, Cleveland's 10 game records:

7-3

5-5

5-5

4-6

5-5

4-6

1-0 (so far)

 

You wouldn't call that 1-2-3 so far, relative to the Twins 6-0. :)


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:47 AM

Castro and Perez did not seem to be on the same page last night. Pretty bad throwing error by Sano (wasn't terribly close) and he'd already been bailed out by Cron earlier.

 

Lindor sure is a beast, though. He's absolutely crushed us so far this series (5-7, 5 R, 2B, 3 HRs, 2 BB, 1 K). That's outlandish. Please take a day off. Please let us know how we have offended you so we can apologize. My goodness.


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:54 AM

 

Yes, my main frustration with the bullpen building was over the offseason too. I'm not going to be too upset the Twins won't commit $40+ million to a reliever, but there were a lot of attractive options that signed for two or even one-year deals. Taking a quick look through how those guys are doing, however, you see that a ton of them have been poor investments.

 

Joakim Soria was my favorite bargain bin guy. He has a 5.16 ERA. Kelvin Herrera has a 7.36 ERA, Jeurys Familia has a 6.56 ERA, Joe Kelly a 7.91 ERA, Andrew Miller a 3.98 ERA, David Robertson a 5.40 ERA, Cody Allen a 4.50 ERA. Some of those guys are also hurt.

Doing well, there's also Britton, Ottavino, Holland, and Kelley. (And in fairness, Blake Parker would fit into this group too, last night notwithstanding.)


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:17 AM

 

The bullpen concerns are very valid, but I am more concerned with the fact Baldelli is reluctant to bring Rodgers in too early in a game. Bring Rodgers into the game after the rain delay instead of Parker, let him try to get 6 outs and kill any hope Cleveland has in a comeback. All too often it feels like Baldelli wants to get to the 9th with a lead for Rodgers to protect when Rodgers might best be used earlier to help lock the game down.

I was thinking the same thing about bringing in Rogers, but, I almost have to believe he was hoping Parker could sneak through that 7th inning and then Rocco would've went to Taylor for the final two innings. Especially with how Cleveland has struggled against LHP. 


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:19 AM

 

probably a bit more concerned about Perez myself. Wondering if the league is figuring him out. 

I think he is just not used to pitching this much. They should take advantage of the 10 day IL and make up a lame injury to give these guys a break.Berrios might also benefit from a little time off as well.


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:34 AM

I knew the Twins were going to lose when the game was delayed 90 minutes and the crew decided to let the game finish with the outfield flooded.

 

Too bad.

 

I love the headline for this article, btw.

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