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#1 AZTwin

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 06:38 AM

He was a top 10 draft pick of the Braves last year but didn’t sign due to injury concerns. He was projected to go in the first round again this year but instead elected to sign a deal in Japan. Interesting move
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#2 gunnarthor

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 10:05 AM

https://www.mlb.com/...her-signs-japan


#3 Mike Sixel

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 10:28 AM

I hope more players do this, and get lots of money. But I doubt it happens.
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It's IL now, btw, not DL.....


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Posted 21 May 2019 - 02:28 PM

4m and he can come back to the US as a free agent if a team posts a 20m posting fee. Great deal for him. 

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Posted 21 May 2019 - 08:46 PM

He had fallen far enough that he wasn't getting that much in the draft, so it is a good move for him. Interestingly, the wrist that gave him issues in 2018 and ended up showing up in an MRI with the Braves that led to the contested change in his offer from the Braves has been favored in his delivery this year. He's not getting the same break and movement on his pitches this year, and many say that he's moving his wrist in his delivery different this year than he was previously.

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 08:05 AM

http://www.espn.com/...aft-upside-down

 

Good article on the pros for Stewart in this ESPN article. Best case, he makes 3m more and is a free agent 3 years earlier than he would be if he was drafted. 


#7 Mike Sixel

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 08:46 AM

I think of it more, worst case he makes 3MM more....

 

Also, just read that in the KBO, the minor leaguers make 22K per year......their travel schedule is better, and they get better food/housing.....

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It's IL now, btw, not DL.....


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Posted 22 May 2019 - 09:02 AM

....plus he gets to go live in Japan instead of, say, Danville GA. You can do a lot more interesting things with 4 million in Japan than you can in sticksville. Good for this kid.

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 09:21 AM

 

I think of it more, worst case he makes 3MM more....

 

Also, just read that in the KBO, the minor leaguers make 22K per year......their travel schedule is better, and they get better food/housing.....

 

That's not the worst case.The worst case is that he doesn't develop in Japan, and washes out of professional baseball by the time he's 25.Unfortunately, there's no way to know, but it's possible he would develop better in the US, and go on to sign multiple FA deals.It's a gamble, and one with a really nice floor, but a gamble nonetheless.

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#10 Mike Sixel

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 09:37 AM

That's not the worst case. The worst case is that he doesn't develop in Japan, and washes out of professional baseball by the time he's 25. Unfortunately, there's no way to know, but it's possible he would develop better in the US, and go on to sign multiple FA deals. It's a gamble, and one with a really nice floor, but a gamble nonetheless.


And in the process, he's made three million more.... So, yes, that's the worst case. He makes three million more.... No matter what.

It's IL now, btw, not DL.....


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Posted 22 May 2019 - 10:26 AM

If this started to catch on with high-end prospects I imagine MLB will try to negotiate with foreign leagues to take away this option for draftees. Or simply apply some good old fashioned collusion to ice out the kids that try it unless they turn into a top talent. Anything to avoid treating minor leaguers better.

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#12 gunnarthor

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 12:27 PM

 

If this started to catch on with high-end prospects I imagine MLB will try to negotiate with foreign leagues to take away this option for draftees. Or simply apply some good old fashioned collusion to ice out the kids that try it unless they turn into a top talent. Anything to avoid treating minor leaguers better.

Possible. But it's also going to be rare. The Japanese league only allows four foreigners per team so they can't just stock up on young overseas talent. But if I'm a late round pick and could get a deal like Stewart got, I'm taking it. If I'm a top 10 pick, I'd probably stay.


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Posted 22 May 2019 - 12:35 PM

 

And in the process, he's made three million more.... So, yes, that's the worst case. He makes three million more.... No matter what.

 

Not no matter what--perhaps I explained it poorly.There is a possibility wherein he develops in the US far better than in Japan, and therefore over his career would make more having made less to start.


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 09:31 AM

Good decision for him financially. He'll get valuable life experience abroad, and if he plays well, enter free agency at 25. Win win.

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Posted 23 May 2019 - 10:15 AM

 

Good decision for him financially. He'll get valuable life experience abroad, and if he plays well, enter free agency at 25. Win win.

 

If someone will pay the posting fee and his team is willing to post him...

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Posted 26 May 2019 - 06:59 AM

this wil be interesting to watch... Stewart seems to have found a way around the draft... would be interesting to see if a lot of guys slated late first round through the 3rd round decide this is a better deal

 

I think the timeline is a bit aggressive here too for what it's worth, but a good read:

 

http://www.espn.com/...aft-upside-down

 

 


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Posted 26 May 2019 - 09:22 AM

One thing I've heard multiple times already since this deal was signed...MLB teams won't be in a hurry to bring Stewart back and set a new precedent, so this discussion about him being able to return at 25 as a free agent requires his Japanese club posting him, which is not guaranteed, and it also requires MLB teams bidding, and that very well could be another issue, with no rules governing a concerted effort by the league not to bid on a player put up for posting by a Japanese team, so that level of collusion is completely legal in the agreement with NPB.

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Posted 26 May 2019 - 10:43 AM

One thing I've heard multiple times already since this deal was signed...MLB teams won't be in a hurry to bring Stewart back and set a new precedent, so this discussion about him being able to return at 25 as a free agent requires his Japanese club posting him, which is not guaranteed, and it also requires MLB teams bidding, and that very well could be another issue, with no rules governing a concerted effort by the league not to bid on a player put up for posting by a Japanese team, so that level of collusion is completely legal in the agreement with NPB.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, and your level of paranoia... seems just about right in this case. :)

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Posted 27 May 2019 - 01:39 PM

The only source for the contract is Passan.No one else has reported a dollar amount other than to quote Passan. Average wage for a player is about 300k. The 7 million for 6 years is way out of line for that.Historically Japan's teams other than the Giants have not made profits.My guess would be that what the contract has in it is language that Stewart can make 7 million if performances are met.The other way it would make sense is the team is betting on the posting system to recoup the money. High risk, high reward. That is betting Stewart can land a 35 million dollar contract. Kikutchi was a star pitcher and could land only a 43 million contract. Is Stewart's ceiling really that high?

 

Japan's major league rosters can have only 4 foreigners on it. The minor league teams can have as many as the team wants.

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Posted 27 May 2019 - 01:56 PM

 

No one else has reported a dollar amount other than to quote Passan. 

Not quite true. Jim Callis had an initial report that it was "over $4 million" too, which suggests that's could be the minimum guarantee, even if the Passan figure includes incentives or something.

 

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