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michael pineda jason castro c.j. cron trevor hildenberger ron gardenhire
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#21 Original Whizzinator

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Posted 11 May 2019 - 06:13 PM

Hildenberger has been more like the Hindenburger lately....


Why did this joke take so long? C'mon people!

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Posted 11 May 2019 - 06:53 PM

 

You lose some from time to time.Hildy has been pretty damn good all year.

 

That said, I'm not sure I like Baldelli's decision to bring him in, that should be May there.Or Parker.Or whomever your best reliever is.

 

Hmmmmm. And I watch the same games. He has been pretty damn good a few times....... all year. Don't mind the numbers.

 

Baldelli certainly thinks the same it appears.

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Posted 11 May 2019 - 09:27 PM

 

If you demote Hildeberger, who do you promote?

 

Cody Stashak; 1.59 ERA, 0.647 WHIP, 14.8 K/9, 1.1 BB/9 in AA

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Posted 11 May 2019 - 09:29 PM

 

Hildy has been pretty damn good all year.

 

Since when a 5.68 ERA and a 1.74 WHIP is "pretty damn good"? Maybe for the other teams...

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Posted 11 May 2019 - 09:29 PM

C'mon, this is on Baldelli, for once.

 

Tigers were throwing a MLB debut rookie in the encore, and after Cron ties it in the 8th of the opener, why don't you lead your Ace in the very next inning?Rogers.

 

That's called "balling it".

 

Let the Tigers deal with the fact that they aren't going to score and need to hold the Twins? Do they bring in Shane Green?Doubtful.

 

Twins threw one away on the Hildenberger fantasy. Not the end of the world, but sweep the Tigers when you got them pinned like that.

 

 


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Posted 11 May 2019 - 10:00 PM

 

C'mon, this is on Baldelli, for once.

 

Tigers were throwing a MLB debut rookie in the encore, and after Cron ties it in the 8th of the opener, why don't you lead your Ace in the very next inning?Rogers.

 

That's called "balling it".

 

Let the Tigers deal with the fact that they aren't going to score and need to hold the Twins? Do they bring in Shane Green?Doubtful.

 

Twins threw one away on the Hildenberger fantasy. Not the end of the world, but sweep the Tigers when you got them pinned like that.

 

Score more than 2 runs off the rookie and then we can talk.Team left 10 men on base.Asking Hildy to throw a clean inning against the Tigers isn't a fantasy.If I am "pinning" the loss on anyone it's the offense personally.

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Posted 11 May 2019 - 11:46 PM

 

Score more than 2 runs off the rookie and then we can talk.Team left 10 men on base.Asking Hildy to throw a clean inning against the Tigers isn't a fantasy.If I am "pinning" the loss on anyone it's the offense personally.

This rookie has an ERA of 2.42 this year. I guess he is not an ordinary rookie. I am pinning the loss on the fact that Hildenberg gave up 2 ERs in only one inning. Unfortunately it is the most important inning in the game. Tell me which is worse scoring 2 runs in 5.2 innings against a pretty good rookie or giving up 2 runs in just one inning against a bad lineup. Again no excuse for Hildenberg or the manager who put him in the game.


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Posted 12 May 2019 - 03:53 AM

This kind of loss will happen to the Twins from time to time. The Twins are a good team but with paper thin margins when injuries crop up. I mean were now plugging in a player who is hitting .130 after his 'big' offensive day.

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 04:47 AM

Send down Hildy and call Glen "The Hobbit" Perkins out of retirement. He's rockin' that Amish beard!
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Posted 12 May 2019 - 05:26 AM

Saved Rogers for a lead


Would have been waiting a long time for this. Forever, even.

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 08:13 AM

Like it or not, Rocco is going to have to be pretty careful with the pen. We play 10 straight games and only have a couple relievers that we can ride in situations like that.

 

Guys like Hildy have to come through. He didn't unfortunately. He's also come through at other times this year, so I'm not quite ready to give up on him... one thing that does seem rather odd is that he's not as good starting clean innings than as when coming in during a bad one. Not quite sure what to make of that... SSS I know, but he's given up a lot of runs when he's had time to warm up. 

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 08:27 AM

This rookie has an ERA of 2.42 this year. I guess he is not an ordinary rookie. I am pinning the loss on the fact that Hildenberg gave up 2 ERs in only one inning. Unfortunately it is the most important inning in the game. Tell me which is worse scoring 2 runs in 5.2 innings against a pretty good rookie or giving up 2 runs in just one inning against a bad lineup. Again no excuse for Hildenberg or the manager who put him in the game.

the blame falls on the front office who built a pen that includes Hildenberger as a featured piece.
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Posted 12 May 2019 - 08:31 AM

 

Sorry, wasn't clear there, my bad. If you demote him from high leverage situations, who moves into them?

The solution is not obvious, but at this point it might be Harper or Magill.Unless there is a minor league option we cannot drop Hildenberger, we are already short of relievers.However, we cannot make the mistake of relying on him like we did the end of last year.He seems to have a limit to effective innings and is better used less often. 


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Posted 12 May 2019 - 08:53 AM

You lose some from time to time. Hildy has been pretty damn good all year.

That said, I'm not sure I like Baldelli's decision to bring him in, that should be May there. Or Parker. Or whomever your best reliever is.


Agreed. Hildenberger has been very good. Now he's had a couple bad games in a row. Such is the nature of life as a RP. Now, if the trend continues and doesnt reverse itself soon, it's time to worry.

That being said, I still dont understand May for a handful of pitches. No reason he couldn't have and shouldn't have started a clean 9th.

Very hard to win a game only scoring 3 runs and leaving how many guys in scoring position?

Lost in all of this is Pineda's best start. 3 runs in 6 IP is 3 runs in 6 IP no matter how you look at it. When his performance is something to complain about, you really dont have anything to complain about.

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 12:27 PM

I would prefer Duffey over Hildenberg right now.


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Posted 12 May 2019 - 02:04 PM

Hildenberger's stat line since the all-star break last year do not lie.

 

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 02:10 PM

 

Since when a 5.68 ERA and a 1.74 WHIP is "pretty damn good"? Maybe for the other teams...

 

 

Is this argument for real?Dude made 13 appearances in March/April with a 1.93 ERA.Yeah, I'm going to look past a couple rough patches and say that, by and large, he's been pretty good for us.Especially given how high leverage the situations were he was being used in.

 

He's struggling hard right now, but that's also a problem we've seen from him.He seems to be a bit streaky.Hence why he shouldn't be considered one of our top relievers.


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Posted 12 May 2019 - 02:23 PM

 

Since when a 5.68 ERA and a 1.74 WHIP is "pretty damn good"? Maybe for the other teams...

 

And for the last part of 2018, after the all-star game.....
 

9.00 ERA, 1.81 WHIP, .325 average against.

He was really only "real good" in May, and pretty good in June.

 

I want him to be good, too. And I remember the game this year he came in with the bases sacked and mowed 'em down. But facts are facts.

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 02:26 PM

 

 

I want him to be good, too. And I remember the game this year he came in with the bases sacked and mowed 'em down. But facts are facts.

 

How were his 13 appearances in April?


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Posted 12 May 2019 - 02:46 PM

 

How were his 13 appearances in April?

 One month a year does not make for a reliable option. And the 5 inherited runners scored that created 3 losses ( I think 3, without looking it up, at least 2....) count too in April, even though it was passed on to his teammate's stats. I want him to be good, too. But when he is sucking..... just throwing him out there again the next day does not mean he will change overnight.

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