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#21 Thrylos

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 04:42 PM

How is anyone voting for Price over Verlander? This is blowing my ****ing mind. Price has 3 more wins and a .08 better ERA. Verlander has pitched more innings, pitched in more games, has more strike outs and his team will make the playoffs on his back. This is not even close to me and it is disgusting me to see so many people saying otherwise. Also, the Trout thing. I don't think someone that wins a triple crown loses the MVP voting.


Very close but:

Price: 3.10 xFIP, 8.9 K/9, 1.10 WHIP (.286 BABIP - AL East)
Verlander: 3.32 xFIP, 9 K/9, 1.06 WHIP (.273 BABIP - AL Central)

IP and GS are manager's choice.

The fact that Price has more wins, better ERA, while Verlander had a much below league average BABIP and plays in an easier league, tilt the scale.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 05:26 PM

understandable, which is why he won't win, but just saying that if other relievers have won it on similar usage, he should certainly have a shot.


I'm not a big fan of the "because they ****ed up in the past it's ok to continue doing so in the future" rationale.


I don't have a problem with him being in the discussion, and think he probably belongs somewhere in the top 10 on the ballot, but he doesn't have any business winning over a 200+ inning starter.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 05:30 PM

IP and GS are manager's choice.


You can't just throw them out as though they didn't happen. Verlander does have a significant innings advantage, that can't be ignored.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 08:02 PM

I chose Price because he faced the AL East instead of the AL Central but it's kind of a toss up. both had excellent seasons.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 08:23 PM

How is anyone voting for Price over Verlander? This is blowing my ****ing mind. Price has 3 more wins and a .08 better ERA. Verlander has pitched more innings, pitched in more games, has more strike outs and his team will make the playoffs on his back. This is not even close to me and it is disgusting me to see so many people saying otherwise. Also, the Trout thing. I don't think someone that wins a triple crown loses the MVP voting.


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#26 jm3319

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 08:35 PM

Here is my ballot:

ROY
NL: Norichicka Aoki
AL: Cespedes


I think you spelled TROUT wrong because no sane person would pick Cespedes over Trout, unless Trout did something personal to you like kicking your dog or something. That must be it. Trout kicked your dog or ran him over, didn't he? Now I understand. That clearly trumps the clear winner listed below.

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#27 Badsmerf

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 08:54 PM

OK maybe it isn't disgusting. I just feel like Verlander has been more important to the Tigers and really been a throwback ace for them. I can see the Price love, but think Verlander should get more.