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[YourHouseIsMyHouse]

Who gets your vote for the prestigious awards given at the end of the year? AL/NL Cy Young, AL/NL MVP, AL/NL ROY, AL/NL Relief Man, and AL/NL Manager of the Year. I'll tally the votes after a week so it can be 'official'. My vote is below and an ideal ballot would look as follows.

MVP
AL: Miguel Cabrera
NL: Ryan Braun

Cy Young
AL: David Price
NL: Gio Gonzalez

Rookie of the Year
AL: Mike Trout
NL: Norichika Aoki

Rolaids Relief Man of the Year
AL: Fernando Rodney
NL: Craig Kimbrel

Manager of the Year
AL: Buck Showalter
NL: Dusty Baker



I think both relief men are obvious choices. The biggest reason I would choose Cabrera over Trout is that the Tigers will likely make the playoffs and the Angels won't. The triple crown would also add fuel to his campaign.

[Cody Christie]

MVP
AL: Trout
NL: Posey

Cy Young
AL: Verlander
NL: Cueto

Rookie:
AL: Trout
NL: Miley

Relief Man of the Year
AL: Rodney
NL: Kimbrel

Manager of the Year
AL: Showalter
NL: Johnson

[YourHouseIsMyHouse]

Wade Miley is a great candidate for Rookie of the Year. Almost chose him, but Aoki has been fantastic.

[snepp]

MVP
AL: Trout
NL: Posey

Cy Young
AL: Verlander
NL: Cueto

Rookie:
AL: Trout
NL: Miley

Relief Man of the Year
AL: Rodney
NL: Kimbrel

Manager of the Year
AL: Showalter
NL: Johnson

A Dickey for Cueto swap is the only change I would make.

Those NL starters are really clumped together at the top, any of Dickey, Cueto, Gonzalez, or even Kershaw would work for me.

[J-Dog Dungan]

Here is my ballot:

MVP:
NL: Andrew McCutchen
AL: Miggy

Cy Young:
NL: R.A. Dickey
AL: David Price

ROY
NL: Norichicka Aoki
AL: Cespedes

Relief Man
NL: Craig Kimbrel
AL: Fernando Rodney

Manager of the Year
NL: Davey Johnson
AL: Buck Showalter

[crapforks]

Here is my ballot:

MVP:
NL: Andrew McCutchen
AL: Miggy

Cy Young:
NL: R.A. Dickey
AL: David Price

ROY
NL: Norichicka Aoki
AL: Cespedes

Relief Man
NL: Craig Kimbrel
AL: Fernando Rodney

Manager of the Year
NL: Davey Johnson
AL: Buck Showalter

No love for Trout?

[Thrylos]

MVP - too early to tell before final regular season standings
AL: Trout (Angels)/ Cabrera (Tigers) / Cano (Yankees) in that order depending who makes the post-season. eg. if the Angels and the Tigers do not make it, it is Cano. If all 3 make it, it is Trout
NL: Posey (Giants)

Cy Young:

AL: Price (Rays)
NL: Strasburg (Nats)

Rolaids:

AL: Chapman (Rays)
NL: Kimbrel (Braves)

ROY:

AL: Trout (Angels)
NL: Harper (Nats)


Manager of the Year:

AL: Showalter (Orioles)
NL: Johnson (Nats)

[biggentleben]

MVP - too early to tell before final regular season standings
AL: Trout (Angels)/ Cabrera (Tigers) / Cano (Yankees) in that order depending who makes the post-season. eg. if the Angels and the Tigers do not make it, it is Cano. If all 3 make it, it is Trout

I hate this logic. A team does not have to make the playoffs for a player to have been the most valuable to his team in the league. The Angels, Tigers, and Yankees could all miss the playoffs or could all make it going into the last four games of the season. So, each of them was the integral piece of a contender. That's what an MVP is. If they don't make the playoffs, that doesn't fall on any of those three players.

[Thrylos]

MVP - too early to tell before final regular season standings
AL: Trout (Angels)/ Cabrera (Tigers) / Cano (Yankees) in that order depending who makes the post-season. eg. if the Angels and the Tigers do not make it, it is Cano. If all 3 make it, it is Trout

I hate this logic. A team does not have to make the playoffs for a player to have been the most valuable to his team in the league. The Angels, Tigers, and Yankees could all miss the playoffs or could all make it going into the last four games of the season. So, each of them was the integral piece of a contender. That's what an MVP is. If they don't make the playoffs, that doesn't fall on any of those three players.

Different strokes for different folks. If the Twins did not have Willingham for example they would have probably lost 115 games. Should he be the MVP? No. He is valuable, but not the MOST valuable (same thing with McCutchen and Wright in the NL.) It is not the "best" player, it is the most valuable player. And unless a team goes to the postseason any value any player gives to his team is bettered by another one. That's my opinion. Let's agree to disagree. And pitchers have won this award as well. I think that the game needs something analogous to the Cy Young award for the best hitter. Call it the "Babe Ruth". (in that case, my votes for the Babe Ruth award winners would have been Trout and David Wright.)

Edited by Thrylos, 29 September 2012 - 06:41 PM.

[biggentleben]

[quote name='thrylos98'][quote name='biggentleben'][quote name='thrylos98']MVP - too early to tell before final regular season standings
AL: Trout (Angels)/ Cabrera (Tigers) / Cano (Yankees) in that order depending who makes the post-season. eg. if the Angels and the Tigers do not make it, it is Cano. If all 3 make it, it is Trout[/QUOTE]

I hate this logic. A team does not have to make the playoffs for a player to have been the most valuable to his team in the league. The Angels, Tigers, and Yankees could all miss the playoffs or could all make it going into the last four games of the season. So, each of them was the integral piece of a contender. That's what an MVP is. If they don't make the playoffs, that doesn't fall on any of those three players.[/QUOTE]

Different strokes for different folks. If the Twins did not have Willingham for example they would have probably lost 115 games. Should he be the MVP? No. He is valuable, but not the MOST valuable (same thing with McCutchen and Wright in the NL.) It is not the "best" player, it is the most valuable player. And unless a team goes to the postseason any value any player gives to his team is bettered by another one. That's my opinion. Let's agree to disagree. And pitchers have won this award as well. I think that the game needs something analogous to the Cy Young award for the best hitter. Call it the "Babe Ruth". (in that case, my votes for the Babe Ruth award winners would have been Trout and David Wright.)[/QUOTE]

The difference being that I'm not advocating for David Wright or Andrew McCutchen for MVP. We're talking about 3 guys all on teams contending until the last week. Not one guy on a team that won 110 games whose team was clearly pushed beyond all others by his stellar season. The Yankees could miss the entire playoffs...does that make Cano less valuable? Likewise with the Tigers and Cabrera. I can understand those who say that a guy can't win it when his team is nowhere near contention, but these three are all on legit contenders. The way they're playing right now, I'd much rather play the Yankees than the Angels, yet the Angels have a better chance to be watching after next Wednesday.

It's a bit like the World Series. The World Series winner is not the best team in baseball. It's the team that won a tournament at the end of the season. Heck, the Rays might be playing the best of any team in baseball in the last 3 weeks into the season. The Cardinals took that momentum and won the tournament last year. Who's to say one of the teams playing in the BSOGPIE (Bud Selig One Game Play In Extravaganza) won't win it all? Does that mean the Braves are better than the Nationals this year? Or the A's are better than the Rangers? The best player in the playoffs gets awards, so we shouldn't base the MVP on playoff teams only. I agree that the team should be a bona fide contender, but playoffs aren't a requirement in my book.

[snepp]

If the Twins did not have Willingham for example they would have probably lost 115 games.

Why stop at 115? I bet they lose at least 120 without him, maybe even 125.

[Thrylos]

If the Twins did not have Willingham for example they would have probably lost 115 games.

Why stop at 115? I bet they lose at least 120 without him, maybe even 125.

I suspect that you are not a friend of hyperbole...

[PseudoSABR]

[quote name='thrylos98'][quote name='snepp'][quote name='thrylos98']If the Twins did not have Willingham for example they would have probably lost 115 games. [/QUOTE]

Why stop at 115? I bet they lose at least 120 without him, maybe even 125.[/QUOTE]

I suspect that you are not a friend of hyperbole...[/QUOTE]
I suspect that you are not a friend to be taken seriously...

[kab21]

strange I disagree with everything that thyrlos typed. Again...

If I were voting I would still vote for Braun since he's having a Cabrera level season. He almost for sure won't get it but I don't let the past change my voting. I also merely expect a player to be on a competitive team for him to get an MVP vote. Picking a pitcher in either league shouldn't be argued since there are so many deserving. I'll ride the National's story line giving Gio a little bump in the NL. same with Harper at ROY. He's been quite good in a season with several good but not great NL rookies.

MVP
AL: Michael Trout
NL: Ryan Braun

Cy Young
AL: David Price
NL: Gio Gonzalez

Rookie of the Year
AL: Mike Trout
NL: Bryce Harper

Rolaids Relief Man of the Year
AL: Fernando Rodney
NL: Craig Kimbrel

Manager of the Year
AL: Who cares
NL: Who cares

[Thegrin]

MVP
AL: Miguel Cabrera
NL: Ryan Braun

Cy Young
AL Justin Verlanger
NL: Gio Gonzalez

Rookie of the Year
AL: Mike Trout

Rolaids Relief Man of the Year
AL: Glen Perkins


Manager of the Year
AL:Ron Gardenhire
NL: Dusty Baker

[benchwarmerjim]

. I think that the game needs something analogous to the Cy Young award for the best hitter. Call it the "Babe Ruth". (in that case, my votes for the Babe Ruth award winners would have been Trout and David Wright.)

they do. Its called the Hank Aaron Award

[biggentleben]

I posted mine in the awards thread in the "more baseball" board, but I've changed my thinking a bit (and may again before the end of the season Wednesday):

AL MVP: Trout
NL MVP: Braun

AL CY: Justin Verlander
NL CY: RA Dickey (I really, really would like to see Craig Kimbrel get votes as he is having arguably the greatest season ever for a reliever, but I think there's too many storylines with Dickey and Gio to get him over the hill, and I like RA better in that argument as he could possibly win the NL pitching triple crown - wins, K's, ERA)

AL ROY: Mike Trout, should be easily unanimous
NL ROY: Harper (been impressed with his late season resurgence while Frazier sat the bench and Miley has just been okay)

AL MOY: Buck
NL MOY: Johnson

AL CBPY: Edwin Encarnacion (barely ahead of Fernando Rodney)
NL CBPY: Martin Prado (though I get anyone voting Posey)

[snepp]

(I really, really would like to see Craig Kimbrel get votes as he is having arguably the greatest season ever for a reliever

He's having the greatest 60 innings ever for a reliever. Sixty.

[biggentleben]

(I really, really would like to see Craig Kimbrel get votes as he is having arguably the greatest season ever for a reliever

He's having the greatest 60 innings ever for a reliever. Sixty.

understandable, which is why he won't win, but just saying that if other relievers have won it on similar usage, he should certainly have a shot.

[Badsmerf]

How is anyone voting for Price over Verlander? This is blowing my ****ing mind. Price has 3 more wins and a .08 better ERA. Verlander has pitched more innings, pitched in more games, has more strike outs and his team will make the playoffs on his back. This is not even close to me and it is disgusting me to see so many people saying otherwise. Also, the Trout thing. I don't think someone that wins a triple crown loses the MVP voting.

[Thrylos]

How is anyone voting for Price over Verlander? This is blowing my ****ing mind. Price has 3 more wins and a .08 better ERA. Verlander has pitched more innings, pitched in more games, has more strike outs and his team will make the playoffs on his back. This is not even close to me and it is disgusting me to see so many people saying otherwise. Also, the Trout thing. I don't think someone that wins a triple crown loses the MVP voting.

Very close but:

Price: 3.10 xFIP, 8.9 K/9, 1.10 WHIP (.286 BABIP - AL East)
Verlander: 3.32 xFIP, 9 K/9, 1.06 WHIP (.273 BABIP - AL Central)

IP and GS are manager's choice.

The fact that Price has more wins, better ERA, while Verlander had a much below league average BABIP and plays in an easier league, tilt the scale.

[snepp]

understandable, which is why he won't win, but just saying that if other relievers have won it on similar usage, he should certainly have a shot.

I'm not a big fan of the "because they ****ed up in the past it's ok to continue doing so in the future" rationale.


I don't have a problem with him being in the discussion, and think he probably belongs somewhere in the top 10 on the ballot, but he doesn't have any business winning over a 200+ inning starter.

[snepp]

IP and GS are manager's choice.

You can't just throw them out as though they didn't happen. Verlander does have a significant innings advantage, that can't be ignored.

[kab21]

I chose Price because he faced the AL East instead of the AL Central but it's kind of a toss up. both had excellent seasons.

[biggentleben]

How is anyone voting for Price over Verlander? This is blowing my ****ing mind. Price has 3 more wins and a .08 better ERA. Verlander has pitched more innings, pitched in more games, has more strike outs and his team will make the playoffs on his back. This is not even close to me and it is disgusting me to see so many people saying otherwise. Also, the Trout thing. I don't think someone that wins a triple crown loses the MVP voting.

6 of the last 10 Triple Crown winners have not won the MVP.

[jm3319]

Here is my ballot:

ROY
NL: Norichicka Aoki
AL: Cespedes

I think you spelled TROUT wrong because no sane person would pick Cespedes over Trout, unless Trout did something personal to you like kicking your dog or something. That must be it. Trout kicked your dog or ran him over, didn't he? Now I understand. That clearly trumps the clear winner listed below.

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[Badsmerf]

OK maybe it isn't disgusting. I just feel like Verlander has been more important to the Tigers and really been a throwback ace for them. I can see the Price love, but think Verlander should get more.