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#21 wsnydes

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 05:36 AM

 

You have higher standards than I do.  Baltimore has scored more runs per game than Boston, Houston, Cleveland and 10 other teams this year.  Whenthe best reliever in Twins history has given up just under 3 runs per 9 and when the best reliever in MLB history gave up over 2 runs per 9 I'm not going to complain about the guy that just had two saves in two days and has a 2.31 ERA.  Did you ever watch Nathan pitch? Did he ever give you the warm fuzzies?  Perkins had a strong tendency to make things interesting as well. Every reliever gives up runs to every team eventually.  

Fair enough. Let's not pretend that even the best pieces of the bullpen have locked things down otherwise this season though. I'm not expecting perfection, but they have a tendency to make games far more interesting than one would hope. You're correct, relievers will allow base runners and runs at some point. My point is that these guys seem to do it nearly every outing. 

 

I find it amusing that you mentioned Nathan and Perkins, but no Every Day Eddie? That guy made those two look like The Sandman. It seemed like he was always pitching with the bases loaded.

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 06:02 AM

Woah woah woah - who whizzed in your Easter Ham, guys?

 

Twins are 12-7. First place.

 

Buxton's hitting. Polanco's hitting. Garver's hitting. Cruz is launching moonshots. Scoop is looking like the 2017 All-Star again. Rosario is absolutely on fire. Astudillo's hitting....did I mention BUXTON is hitting!?!?!

 

Just imagine when Sano gets back. Where do you bat him? 5th behind Cruz? That's borderline scary. And think about when Gonzalez starts hitting. No more snow-outs, no more 30-degree games.

 

The talent is here folks. Down year in the division. Twins could take the Central and avoid the dreaded wildcard. This team could be very, very good. Will the Twins realize that talent? That's the question. But this is the most dangerous Twins team I've seen in a long time.

 

They just have to execute.

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 07:30 AM

 

Fair enough. Let's not pretend that even the best pieces of the bullpen have locked things down otherwise this season though. I'm not expecting perfection, but they have a tendency to make games far more interesting than one would hope. You're correct, relievers will allow base runners and runs at some point. My point is that these guys seem to do it nearly every outing. 

 

I find it amusing that you mentioned Nathan and Perkins, but no Every Day Eddie? That guy made those two look like The Sandman. It seemed like he was always pitching with the bases loaded.

 

Fair enough. Let's not pretend that even the best pieces of the bullpen have locked things down otherwise this season though. I'm not expecting perfection, but they have a tendency to make games far more interesting than one would hope. You're correct, relievers will allow base runners and runs at some point. My point is that these guys seem to do it nearly every outing. 

 

I find it amusing that you mentioned Nathan and Perkins, but no Every Day Eddie? That guy made those two look like The Sandman. It seemed like he was always pitching with the bases loaded.

I don't know the audience so I didn't know how far back to go.I lived through the Ron Davis era so everyone seems like Mariano Rivera to me.

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 07:32 AM

I lived through the Ron Davis era

It killed me.

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 08:07 AM

 

I don't know the audience so I didn't know how far back to go.I lived through the Ron Davis era so everyone seems like Mariano Rivera to me.

Ha!I'm old enough to have been around during the Ron Davis era, but young enough to not have any first hand recollection. From everything I've read and been told, that's a blessing!

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 08:35 AM

I have recollections from the Ray Moore and Bill Plies era. You kids go look that up.
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Posted 22 April 2019 - 08:39 AM

On the other hand, Stan Williams, Ron Perranoski, and Bill Campbell were among the very best.

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 08:56 AM

 

My concern is the bullpen overuse.Yes Rogers and Hildenberg look really good, but the season is young and already we are seeing them accumulate more than their fair share of innings and appearances.It is what Molitor was condemned for, but I understand - when you have only a couple you really trust there is a real tendency to keep going to them.But there is a bench coach and a pitching coach that need to help put the brakes on.We need them at the end of the season with live arms.  

Yes, the bullpen overuse can become a big problem quickly. But don't forget Harper and Parker and are also looking good, plus we should a couple of guys back from the IL soon too. And Meija is bound to improve, right? I wouldn't have said this in spring training, but at this point I have faith in this bullpen.

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 09:03 AM

 

5] Can we also admit that the Cron signing was good? Yes, we can debate a power hitting 1B/DH type may be a dime a dozen. Guy is a decent hitter with power coming off his best season after a few adjustments and finally getting 500AB. He's starting to heat up now and is playing an excellent 1B. Without bringing in a certified All Star, could they really have done any better?

I'm not quite ready. I don't hate it, but we had a similar player in Austin who is 27 instead of 29 and is being paid at the dime a dozen rate, rather than costing us a quarter.


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Posted 22 April 2019 - 09:33 AM

I'm not quite ready. I don't hate it, but we had a similar player in Austin who is 27 instead of 29 and is being paid at the dime a dozen rate, rather than costing us a quarter.


From what I've seen i'd rather have Cron all day long. His glove looks good enough to have nobody mentioning how we miss Joe's and he seems to me to be a more well rounded hitter than two outcomes Austin.

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 09:46 AM

 

Twins Daily Brothers and Sisters:

 

Go check out ESPN.com MLB page and CBS Sports.com MLB page and 

see if you can find ANY story on the Twins sweep of the Orioles or 11 home runs in Saturday's double header? Answer: Nope

 

If Yankees, Red Sox, Nationals, Phillies, Astros and/or the Dodgers, it would be a greater story than Babe Ruth and hot dogs at stadium concessions?

Minnesota will be perpetually dismissed until the Twins win 3 consecutive World Series and then teeth-gnashing grudgingly by National Media...

We're off the radar guys....lets do a NORAD surprise attack in 2019?

I am not sure how we can complain after the last 5 - 6 years. I agree with Yarnivek1972.It is up to us to prove relevancy.We just got done playing the Orioles and the Blue Jays who have a combined record of19 - 27 and we have also played the Royals and Tigers who are 17 - 25.We have played 19 games and 12 of them have come against these juggernauts.

 

I love the enthusiasm, but after Berrios who do you believe in?After Hildy and Rogers who do you trust?Those four teams have a run differential of (- 72) so we are not the only ones to hit the ball against them. Lets wait until June and if we are still pushing first the National Press will start to notice. 

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 09:48 AM

Two teams that lost 90 games last year played each other. Can’t imagine why no one cares nationally.

Baltimore played itself?
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Posted 22 April 2019 - 09:52 AM

 

The Twins need to decide how much they like Adalberto Mejia. He didn’t pitch today. He didn’t pitch in either game yesterday. Meanwhile, Hildenberger and Rogers threw at least 18 pitches both days.

That’s how guys get overused. By not using guys that are there.

The Twins need to keep sending him out there until Falvine decides to take him off the roster. Not using him is simply not an option.

Not using him for a few days is always an option. I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to trade him or he comes up with a mysterious ailment.


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Posted 22 April 2019 - 10:15 AM

 


A few thoughts/opinions:

1] Next to the Twins actually winning all 3 games, the biggest highlight was listening to Blyleven and Kaat in the booth for the weekend. Not only reminiscing and telling old stories, but their Basball knowledge and opinions about today's game, especially the changes in how pitchers are used prepared and developed was priceless.


4] Can't we just admit Garver has improved behind the plate, may be one of the best offensive catchers around, and just admit he's the #1 guy back there at this point?

5] Can we also admit that the Cron signing was good? Yes, we can debate a power hitting 1B/DH type may be a dime a dozen. Guy is a decent hitter with power coming off his best season after a few adjustments and finally getting 500AB. He's starting to heat up now and is playing an excellent 1B. Without bringing in a certified All Star, could they really have done any better?

 

 

Oof, dunno if i can get with the Blyleven-Kaat pairing. waaay too much "In my day..." in regards to how coddled pitchers are today. Did not love. I did appreciate Dick making sure people knew who some of the players they were talking about; I know who Earl Battey was and when he caught for the Twins, but a lot of people watching would have missed on stuff like that.

 

Agree on Garver. He's hitting so well that you can forgive his lesser ability at blocking pitches. A strong bat is really an advantage at catcher, and he's good enough behind the plate that I'm not worried about anything else. he seems to set up well back there and the pitchers don't seem to struggle with the way he calls a game.

 

I was on board with Cron from the start, and while he was a bit slow-starting with the bat, he can definitely hit. His defense is better than advertised and he's really made a lot of very fine plays around the bag. I would think the left side of the infield is going to have a similar level of confidence gunning the ball over to 1B that they did when Mauer was there. He's doing a nice job and I'd take him over Austin 10 out of 10.

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 10:16 AM

 

5] Can we also admit that the Cron signing was good? Yes, we can debate a power hitting 1B/DH type may be a dime a dozen. Guy is a decent hitter with power coming off his best season after a few adjustments and finally getting 500AB. He's starting to heat up now and is playing an excellent 1B. Without bringing in a certified All Star, could they really have done any better?

 

Yeah I'm on board. The Cron signing looks good. Cruz signing looks great. The Schoop signing looks good. The Gonzalez signing...still up in the air but I think he'll come around. After last year's bombs, it's nice to see this year's signings have been a complete 180 and are really contributing!

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 11:19 AM

 

Twins Daily Brothers and Sisters:

 

Go check out ESPN.com MLB page and CBS Sports.com MLB page and 

see if you can find ANY story on the Twins sweep of the Orioles or 11 home runs in Saturday's double header? Answer: Nope

 

If Yankees, Red Sox, Nationals, Phillies, Astros and/or the Dodgers, it would be a greater story than Babe Ruth and hot dogs at stadium concessions?

Minnesota will be perpetually dismissed until the Twins win 3 consecutive World Series and then teeth-gnashing grudgingly by National Media...

We're off the radar guys....lets do a NORAD surprise attack in 2019?

 

I've never understood why anyone cares if the national media talks about the Twins.

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 11:50 AM

 

I've never understood why anyone cares if the national media talks about the Twins.

 

Because it matters for recruiting via free agency. It matters for retaining our own guys. If success in the twin Cities can't get you any sort of national recognition, it means it's much harder for those players to generate significant income through endorsements and build their own brand. Agents know it and so do the clubs in the bigger media markets.

 

Plus, people get sick of hearing about "Yankees win" or "Yankees lose" leading every sportscenter.

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 11:51 AM

 

Because it matters for recruiting via free agency. It matters for retaining our own guys. If success in the twin Cities can't get you any sort of national recognition, it means it's much harder for those players to generate significant income through endorsements and build their own brand. Agents know it and so do the clubs in the bigger media markets.

 

Plus, people get sick of hearing about "Yankees win" or "Yankees lose" leading every sportscenter.

 

Money and years matter much, much, more. I don't agree with your statement at all that national exposure matters enough to any player that it is as important as money. Not even close.

 

As for the 2nd point, sure, whatever, but that has nothing to do with the Twins' coverage, it's almost every team.

It's IL now, btw, not DL.....


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Posted 22 April 2019 - 12:37 PM

 

I've never understood why anyone cares if the national media talks about the Twins.

Same feeling I get when someone says New York or Boston fans or media would never accept this or that. What do I care about what obnoxious fans tolerate?I assume Mets and Orioles fans don't tolerate failure either but it still happens. 

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 12:52 PM

 

I've never understood why anyone cares if the national media talks about the Twins.

 

Says the person who runs the threads on national media attention to the Twins :)

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